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I dont disagree but isn't this the point of their strategy? I.e. lure everyone in to only vendor lock-in later on?

by zoover2020 3y ago

yieldcrv 3y ago
yeah probably, even if the current team doesnt want that, a board member or future executive will push for it and do it currently, deploying on vercel is so easy and the project structure works on any other compute instance that migrating away will be easy too, and breaking versions of Next or NextAuth can just not be used
solardev 3y ago
How is this much different from being locked in to AWS or Docker Desktop or Oracle's Java or MySQL or WordPress or Cloudflare or OpenAI? Vercel is a business with a very good value proposition. And Next is open source with a huge community. It's not perfect, and Vercel isn't perfect, but among its peers (the web industry) it stands out to me as one of the two companies I'd trust to steward the future of the web (the other being Cloudflare). Way way way more so than Meta or Google, because at the end of the day at least these companies are selling good web hosting, not shitty advertising, and aren't run by total dicks either. Do I wish they were nonprofits with shared governance? Yeah, maybe. But short of that, their track record has actually been incredible. The web is still immature enough (surprising, I know) that new companies and technologies rise and fall all the time. Today's vendor lock-in is tomorrow's opportunity for another young upstart, the same way Next was to React, the way React was to Angular, the way Angular was to the frameworks before it. I'm not too worried. It doesn't make sense to be afraid of Next when it's really just repackaged cloud hosting in a very shiny wrapper. They resell AWS and GCP and Cloudflare infra at a markup but make it much much easier to use. It's a win win for everyone as far as I can tell.
andrew_ 3y ago
Next.js is a vendor lock-in worlf in sheep's open source clothing and few recognize this. they've fully captured the bootcamp, self-educate crowd.
- solardev 3y ago
  What isn't? Android, iOS,. NET, Java,MySQL, AWS, Azure, GCP, Cloudflare, Nginx, Slack, Docker Desktop, Kubernetes, Chrome, Typescript, VSCode, the entire web is built off vendor lock-in.
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    A whole lot isn't. Django, Node, Electron, Caddy etc. Everything that companies open source that isn't monetized (like DraftJS, Gerrit). And don't forget Linux on which the entire web and all the commercial stuff you mentioned runs.

I dont disagree but isn't this the point of their strategy? I.e. lure everyone in to only vendor lock-in later on?

yeah probably, even if the current team doesnt want that, a board member or future executive will push for it and do it currently, deploying on vercel is so easy and the project structure works on any other compute instance that migrating away will be easy too, and breaking versions of Next or NextAuth can just not be used

solardev 3y ago

How is this much different from being locked in to AWS or Docker Desktop or Oracle's Java or MySQL or WordPress or Cloudflare or OpenAI? Vercel is a business with a very good value proposition. And Next is open source with a huge community. It's not perfect, and Vercel isn't perfect, but among its peers (the web industry) it stands out to me as one of the two companies I'd trust to steward the future of the web (the other being Cloudflare). Way way way more so than Meta or Google, because at the end of the day at least these companies are selling good web hosting, not shitty advertising, and aren't run by total dicks either. Do I wish they were nonprofits with shared governance? Yeah, maybe. But short of that, their track record has actually been incredible. The web is still immature enough (surprising, I know) that new companies and technologies rise and fall all the time. Today's vendor lock-in is tomorrow's opportunity for another young upstart, the same way Next was to React, the way React was to Angular, the way Angular was to the frameworks before it. I'm not too worried. It doesn't make sense to be afraid of Next when it's really just repackaged cloud hosting in a very shiny wrapper. They resell AWS and GCP and Cloudflare infra at a markup but make it much much easier to use. It's a win win for everyone as far as I can tell.

andrew_ 3y ago

Next.js is a vendor lock-in worlf in sheep's open source clothing and few recognize this. they've fully captured the bootcamp, self-educate crowd.

solardev 3y ago
What isn't? Android, iOS,. NET, Java,MySQL, AWS, Azure, GCP, Cloudflare, Nginx, Slack, Docker Desktop, Kubernetes, Chrome, Typescript, VSCode, the entire web is built off vendor lock-in.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  A whole lot isn't. Django, Node, Electron, Caddy etc. Everything that companies open source that isn't monetized (like DraftJS, Gerrit). And don't forget Linux on which the entire web and all the commercial stuff you mentioned runs.