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With the Bolt gone the cheapest EV you can get is around 35k with most being 40k+ Lots of great, reliable gas options under 25k. When there are EV choices at

With the Bolt gone the cheapest EV you can get is around 35k with most being 40k+ Lots of great, reliable gas options under 25k. When there are EV choices at reasonable prices there will be tons of demand for them.

parineum 3y ago
That's probably true but, also, I've stepped back on my enthusiasm for who I'd recommend them to now because of the charging situation. It used to be not a huge deal to me charge on a road trip, a 20-30 minute break every few hours was actually really nice. But now, after the release of the Mustang, Ioniq 5 and EV6, I am regularly find chargers to be full and having to wait. My 30 minutes stops have turn to 45-60 minutes or longer because now I'm charging closer to 100% because I might need to the option to skip the next charger. And forget trying to take a road trip on a holiday weekend.
- zo1 3y ago
  I find this argument really alien to me. I'm personally not a huge "environmental" person but when I see this argument I substitute ICE car with horse, electric car with car, electricity with "fuel" and charging station with a fuel station. I'm sure when the ice car was new there weren't enough fuel stations, it was a chicken & egg problem.
  - parineum 3y ago
    I get what you're saying and I'm not planning on going back to ICE personally but a couple years ago, when I talked to people about it, I'd say, "Yeah it's not as easy but I don't need to charge away from home very often and, when I do, it's not too bad. Plus, some of the cars that are coming out in the future charge much faster." Now, I can't really say that because it's not nearly as easy to charge away from home now and it can significantly extend your trip times. I regularly (something close to annually) drive a two day, 1000 mile road trip. The last time I did it was where I encountered this. The way the trip works out as planned is a 10 hour day and an 8 hour day, including charging. More than an hour extra was added both ways in waiting times. That extra time was purely spent waiting for chargers. I've also had time where I was unable to charge my car at home or just had a particularly busy day where I needed to charge locally. There are 3 fast chargers equidistant to me but all in different directions. I ended up waiting 45 minutes. The problem is that you can't just go a few blocks away (if not across the street!) to the next station if they are full like with gas stations, you're pretty much stuck waiting where you've gambled on stopping. I'm not going to recommend my dad deal with that.
  - 01100011 3y ago
    On one level, sure, the problem is temporary and will sort itself out. But it's a very practical problem right now for people with EVs and can be a significant factor in reducing the desirability of EVs. I'll say that charging was my #1 complaint when I leased a Chevy Bolt for a year. Chargers(in the bay area no less) were often broken, expensive, or required me to return to the charger(i.e. in the middle of dinner) to disconnect and move my vehicle.
  - ssharp 3y ago
    The value difference between horse and carriage and ICE car is much larger than the difference between ICE car and electric car. A lot of people aren't interested in being impacted by the chicken & egg problem because what they already have is convenient and performs the same function.

parineum 3y ago

That's probably true but, also, I've stepped back on my enthusiasm for who I'd recommend them to now because of the charging situation. It used to be not a huge deal to me charge on a road trip, a 20-30 minute break every few hours was actually really nice. But now, after the release of the Mustang, Ioniq 5 and EV6, I am regularly find chargers to be full and having to wait. My 30 minutes stops have turn to 45-60 minutes or longer because now I'm charging closer to 100% because I might need to the option to skip the next charger. And forget trying to take a road trip on a holiday weekend.

zo1 3y ago
I find this argument really alien to me. I'm personally not a huge "environmental" person but when I see this argument I substitute ICE car with horse, electric car with car, electricity with "fuel" and charging station with a fuel station. I'm sure when the ice car was new there weren't enough fuel stations, it was a chicken & egg problem.
- parineum 3y ago
  I get what you're saying and I'm not planning on going back to ICE personally but a couple years ago, when I talked to people about it, I'd say, "Yeah it's not as easy but I don't need to charge away from home very often and, when I do, it's not too bad. Plus, some of the cars that are coming out in the future charge much faster." Now, I can't really say that because it's not nearly as easy to charge away from home now and it can significantly extend your trip times. I regularly (something close to annually) drive a two day, 1000 mile road trip. The last time I did it was where I encountered this. The way the trip works out as planned is a 10 hour day and an 8 hour day, including charging. More than an hour extra was added both ways in waiting times. That extra time was purely spent waiting for chargers. I've also had time where I was unable to charge my car at home or just had a particularly busy day where I needed to charge locally. There are 3 fast chargers equidistant to me but all in different directions. I ended up waiting 45 minutes. The problem is that you can't just go a few blocks away (if not across the street!) to the next station if they are full like with gas stations, you're pretty much stuck waiting where you've gambled on stopping. I'm not going to recommend my dad deal with that.
- 01100011 3y ago
  On one level, sure, the problem is temporary and will sort itself out. But it's a very practical problem right now for people with EVs and can be a significant factor in reducing the desirability of EVs. I'll say that charging was my #1 complaint when I leased a Chevy Bolt for a year. Chargers(in the bay area no less) were often broken, expensive, or required me to return to the charger(i.e. in the middle of dinner) to disconnect and move my vehicle.
- ssharp 3y ago
  The value difference between horse and carriage and ICE car is much larger than the difference between ICE car and electric car. A lot of people aren't interested in being impacted by the chicken & egg problem because what they already have is convenient and performs the same function.