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I definitely don't. IMO Next/Vercel is a better steward of React than FB was, and turned it into an actual framework usable for a site, not just a UI lib that t

I definitely don't. IMO Next/Vercel is a better steward of React than FB was, and turned it into an actual framework usable for a site, not just a UI lib that took ten thousand other libs to make a website out of. The React world is quickly standardizing around Next as most of its stack (maybe with a state manager thrown in if useContext isn't enough) and that makes life a hell lot easier. And being a Vercel customer has been wonderful. Their systems are so much nicer to work with than legacy web stacks/VMs/containers, or trying to hook something up in PHP or Java. The dev ex is awesome, being able to `create-next-app` and deploy to Vercel in like 3 minutes.

JUNGLEISMASSIVE 3y ago
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yieldcrv 3y ago
100% agreed
- zoover2020 3y ago
  I dont disagree but isn't this the point of their strategy? I.e. lure everyone in to only vendor lock-in later on?
  - yieldcrv 3y ago
    yeah probably, even if the current team doesnt want that, a board member or future executive will push for it and do it currently, deploying on vercel is so easy and the project structure works on any other compute instance that migrating away will be easy too, and breaking versions of Next or NextAuth can just not be used
  - solardev 3y ago
    How is this much different from being locked in to AWS or Docker Desktop or Oracle's Java or MySQL or WordPress or Cloudflare or OpenAI? Vercel is a business with a very good value proposition. And Next is open source with a huge community. It's not perfect, and Vercel isn't perfect, but among its peers (the web industry) it stands out to me as one of the two companies I'd trust to steward the future of the web (the other being Cloudflare). Way way way more so than Meta or Google, because at the end of the day at least these companies are selling good web hosting, not shitty advertising, and aren't run by total dicks either. Do I wish they were nonprofits with shared governance? Yeah, maybe. But short of that, their track record has actually been incredible. The web is still immature enough (surprising, I know) that new companies and technologies rise and fall all the time. Today's vendor lock-in is tomorrow's opportunity for another young upstart, the same way Next was to React, the way React was to Angular, the way Angular was to the frameworks before it. I'm not too worried. It doesn't make sense to be afraid of Next when it's really just repackaged cloud hosting in a very shiny wrapper. They resell AWS and GCP and Cloudflare infra at a markup but make it much much easier to use. It's a win win for everyone as far as I can tell.
  - andrew_ 3y ago
    Next.js is a vendor lock-in worlf in sheep's open source clothing and few recognize this. they've fully captured the bootcamp, self-educate crowd.
    - solardev 3y ago
      What isn't? Android, iOS,. NET, Java,MySQL, AWS, Azure, GCP, Cloudflare, Nginx, Slack, Docker Desktop, Kubernetes, Chrome, Typescript, VSCode, the entire web is built off vendor lock-in.
      - throwaway290 3y ago
        A whole lot isn't. Django, Node, Electron, Caddy etc. Everything that companies open source that isn't monetized (like DraftJS, Gerrit). And don't forget Linux on which the entire web and all the commercial stuff you mentioned runs.

JUNGLEISMASSIVE 3y ago

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yieldcrv 3y ago

100% agreed

zoover2020 3y ago
I dont disagree but isn't this the point of their strategy? I.e. lure everyone in to only vendor lock-in later on?
- yieldcrv 3y ago
  yeah probably, even if the current team doesnt want that, a board member or future executive will push for it and do it currently, deploying on vercel is so easy and the project structure works on any other compute instance that migrating away will be easy too, and breaking versions of Next or NextAuth can just not be used
- solardev 3y ago
  How is this much different from being locked in to AWS or Docker Desktop or Oracle's Java or MySQL or WordPress or Cloudflare or OpenAI? Vercel is a business with a very good value proposition. And Next is open source with a huge community. It's not perfect, and Vercel isn't perfect, but among its peers (the web industry) it stands out to me as one of the two companies I'd trust to steward the future of the web (the other being Cloudflare). Way way way more so than Meta or Google, because at the end of the day at least these companies are selling good web hosting, not shitty advertising, and aren't run by total dicks either. Do I wish they were nonprofits with shared governance? Yeah, maybe. But short of that, their track record has actually been incredible. The web is still immature enough (surprising, I know) that new companies and technologies rise and fall all the time. Today's vendor lock-in is tomorrow's opportunity for another young upstart, the same way Next was to React, the way React was to Angular, the way Angular was to the frameworks before it. I'm not too worried. It doesn't make sense to be afraid of Next when it's really just repackaged cloud hosting in a very shiny wrapper. They resell AWS and GCP and Cloudflare infra at a markup but make it much much easier to use. It's a win win for everyone as far as I can tell.
- andrew_ 3y ago
  Next.js is a vendor lock-in worlf in sheep's open source clothing and few recognize this. they've fully captured the bootcamp, self-educate crowd.
  - solardev 3y ago
    What isn't? Android, iOS,. NET, Java,MySQL, AWS, Azure, GCP, Cloudflare, Nginx, Slack, Docker Desktop, Kubernetes, Chrome, Typescript, VSCode, the entire web is built off vendor lock-in.
    - throwaway290 3y ago
      A whole lot isn't. Django, Node, Electron, Caddy etc. Everything that companies open source that isn't monetized (like DraftJS, Gerrit). And don't forget Linux on which the entire web and all the commercial stuff you mentioned runs.