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Same. Don't care about perks, just give me 1.5-2x the space, and I'll give you that much more money. Instead, many routes are either cram in tight for cheap,

Same. Don't care about perks, just give me 1.5-2x the space, and I'll give you that much more money. Instead, many routes are either cram in tight for cheap, or buy a first/business class with room to lay. Just give me something in the middle, please...

toast0 3y ago
Most airlines have premium economy these days. It's the same as economy but the seats are a reasonable distance apart.
- upon_drumhead 3y ago
  Whenever I’ve looked with seatguru they’re the same seat size as economy.
  - toast0 3y ago
    Yeah, it's the same seat, the only dimension that increases is distance between the seat in front, but increasing one dimension provides more space, yes?
  - resolutebat 3y ago
    It depends a lot on the airline. Some of Air New Zealand's premium economy seats are better than some business class seats I've flown, some (looking at you, United Economy Plus) are literally just a few extra inches.
- kcb 3y ago
  For domestic flights premium economy feels nearly indistinguishable from standard. Even with more leg room they're still the same width.
  - hakfoo 3y ago
    It feels like Premium Economy is what Economy was a few years ago, and Economy is basically anything they can unbolt and sell me seperately. I fully expect my next flight's safety lecture to feature "In the event of tubulence, please tap your card next to the contactless icon for the oxygen mask to drop." What I'd like to see is an airline with: * Single-class seating * No frequent flyer programme. First and business class create weird perverse incentives: they'd rather leave seats empty most of the time in the hope they'll get a few business travelers not spending their own money, or people who managed to grind their way to Triple Oganesson status and managed to drag an upgrade out of the system. The rest of the time, it's just an obnoxious reminder that they could be providing a better experience, but you're not paying them enough to get it. Frequent flyer programmes will never make sense for a large section of passengers. So again, it's just another thing to hassle customers with, either as extra steps in checkout, or a place to say "well, if you spent enough money with us every year, we'd let you skip to the front of a queue." I think the most flights I've taken in a year was four return trips, to two different destinations, using three different airlines. There's no way I could generate enough points to earn meaningful status or "free" travel in a practical timeframe, and even if I could, it's not going to change the fact that many city pairs have limited service choices. I'm not sure there are enough points you can give me to justify injecting a 50% price premium, flight change and four hour layover into a trip that's three and a half hours if I go direct via $other_airline. The best I could do is instead intentionally select a rewards credit card programme, and attempt to divert spending to that to attempt to rack up points. If I'm going to use a rewards card, I'll use one that reimburses me in actual money, instead of a corporate scrip subject to surprise devaluation or blackouts. Theoretically if I line everything up just right, I could get 42% back in the form of Air Koryo Fun Points, but only if I use the card on months with no "R" to buy UberEats delivery of pork rinds. By comparison, 1.5-2% of hassle-free American Dollars across any purchases feels like less of a cryptic puzzle made by a DM who spends too much time in Excel, and more of an actual incentive.
- silisili 3y ago
  Not nearly big enough. It -feels- like those were standard seats of yesterday, and regular economy got even smaller. Give me 6 inches extra width and legroom. That would be 30% wider, and about 20% longer, for a total of 156% of original total area. It would make everything feel so much nicer that I'd gladly pay 156% of the ticket price, if not more.
jetsetsushi 3y ago
First class is often not more than 1.5-2x… so I guess the airlines did that!
- silisili 3y ago
  Um..no? I just looked up the long haul I've taken most - Detroit to Tokyo. Delta economy is $1160. Delta business is $16,983. First is available via United, for over $24,000.

toast0 3y ago

Most airlines have premium economy these days. It's the same as economy but the seats are a reasonable distance apart.

upon_drumhead 3y ago
Whenever I’ve looked with seatguru they’re the same seat size as economy.
- toast0 3y ago
  Yeah, it's the same seat, the only dimension that increases is distance between the seat in front, but increasing one dimension provides more space, yes?
- resolutebat 3y ago
  It depends a lot on the airline. Some of Air New Zealand's premium economy seats are better than some business class seats I've flown, some (looking at you, United Economy Plus) are literally just a few extra inches.
kcb 3y ago
For domestic flights premium economy feels nearly indistinguishable from standard. Even with more leg room they're still the same width.
- hakfoo 3y ago
  It feels like Premium Economy is what Economy was a few years ago, and Economy is basically anything they can unbolt and sell me seperately. I fully expect my next flight's safety lecture to feature "In the event of tubulence, please tap your card next to the contactless icon for the oxygen mask to drop." What I'd like to see is an airline with: * Single-class seating * No frequent flyer programme. First and business class create weird perverse incentives: they'd rather leave seats empty most of the time in the hope they'll get a few business travelers not spending their own money, or people who managed to grind their way to Triple Oganesson status and managed to drag an upgrade out of the system. The rest of the time, it's just an obnoxious reminder that they could be providing a better experience, but you're not paying them enough to get it. Frequent flyer programmes will never make sense for a large section of passengers. So again, it's just another thing to hassle customers with, either as extra steps in checkout, or a place to say "well, if you spent enough money with us every year, we'd let you skip to the front of a queue." I think the most flights I've taken in a year was four return trips, to two different destinations, using three different airlines. There's no way I could generate enough points to earn meaningful status or "free" travel in a practical timeframe, and even if I could, it's not going to change the fact that many city pairs have limited service choices. I'm not sure there are enough points you can give me to justify injecting a 50% price premium, flight change and four hour layover into a trip that's three and a half hours if I go direct via $other_airline. The best I could do is instead intentionally select a rewards credit card programme, and attempt to divert spending to that to attempt to rack up points. If I'm going to use a rewards card, I'll use one that reimburses me in actual money, instead of a corporate scrip subject to surprise devaluation or blackouts. Theoretically if I line everything up just right, I could get 42% back in the form of Air Koryo Fun Points, but only if I use the card on months with no "R" to buy UberEats delivery of pork rinds. By comparison, 1.5-2% of hassle-free American Dollars across any purchases feels like less of a cryptic puzzle made by a DM who spends too much time in Excel, and more of an actual incentive.
silisili 3y ago
Not nearly big enough. It -feels- like those were standard seats of yesterday, and regular economy got even smaller. Give me 6 inches extra width and legroom. That would be 30% wider, and about 20% longer, for a total of 156% of original total area. It would make everything feel so much nicer that I'd gladly pay 156% of the ticket price, if not more.

jetsetsushi 3y ago

First class is often not more than 1.5-2x… so I guess the airlines did that!

silisili 3y ago
Um..no? I just looked up the long haul I've taken most - Detroit to Tokyo. Delta economy is $1160. Delta business is $16,983. First is available via United, for over $24,000.