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If they ignore the EU, the EU actually gets a chance to home grow a competitor that can then challenge them internationally once it's had time to grow. Google w

If they ignore the EU, the EU actually gets a chance to home grow a competitor that can then challenge them internationally once it's had time to grow. Google would probably happily lose money to the EU every year to stop a native English baidu or yandex from being built.

gowings97 3y ago
That keeps being paraded around but is extremely unlikely. It would have happened by now
- SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
  You think so? Because Facebook is so entrenched in what they offer that Google tried and couldn’t put a dent into them. These companies are doing everything they can at all time to prevent being unseated. I was talking with the CEO of a super popular clothing brand about 10 years ago. He knew completely that brands have a life span and you can’t stop every competitor or changing interests. This is baked into the model. You can now get these cloths at Walmart, part of the lifecycle. Tech companies have figured out a way to extend the “hot” duration of their brands. You literally can’t get at them until they are on the down slope.
  - nine_k 3y ago
    > Because Facebook is so entrenched in what they offer that Google tried and couldn’t put a dent into them. I'd say it's because Google was so inept at trying to do so, the way TikTok wasn't. Also I wonder why such brands like Nintendo, Mitsubishi, General Electric, Ford Motors, Philips, Siemens, etc all exist for a century or more, and likely will for another century. What kind of secret have these tech bros discovered?
    - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
      BS on Google just didn’t try hard enough. All those companies are continually changing their product. Google, sells ads people chose to look at. Facebook sells data people chose to give. These are not diverse models.
      - nine_k 3y ago
        Google failed to build a social network where enough people would willingly leave enough personal data for selling, even though initially the Plus had some high-caliber users to follow. So they have to make do with GMail, that lacks the network effect of social media.
nine_k 3y ago
Google has been supporting Russian language quite competently since early 2000s. Yandex still remained quite popular in Russia. Google has been supporting Czech reasonably, AFAICT, but Seznam stayed and stays popular in Czechia. Google may seem to have secured an unassailable position as a search engine, but DuckDuckGo and Kagi somehow found success despite that, banking on Google's shortcomings. If something holds back an appearance of a German-built or a French-built web search engine, it's likely not the Google's hegemony, and of course not a lack of scientific and engineering talent, but some other reasons.

gowings97 3y ago

That keeps being paraded around but is extremely unlikely. It would have happened by now

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
You think so? Because Facebook is so entrenched in what they offer that Google tried and couldn’t put a dent into them. These companies are doing everything they can at all time to prevent being unseated. I was talking with the CEO of a super popular clothing brand about 10 years ago. He knew completely that brands have a life span and you can’t stop every competitor or changing interests. This is baked into the model. You can now get these cloths at Walmart, part of the lifecycle. Tech companies have figured out a way to extend the “hot” duration of their brands. You literally can’t get at them until they are on the down slope.
- nine_k 3y ago
  > Because Facebook is so entrenched in what they offer that Google tried and couldn’t put a dent into them. I'd say it's because Google was so inept at trying to do so, the way TikTok wasn't. Also I wonder why such brands like Nintendo, Mitsubishi, General Electric, Ford Motors, Philips, Siemens, etc all exist for a century or more, and likely will for another century. What kind of secret have these tech bros discovered?
  - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
    BS on Google just didn’t try hard enough. All those companies are continually changing their product. Google, sells ads people chose to look at. Facebook sells data people chose to give. These are not diverse models.
    - nine_k 3y ago
      Google failed to build a social network where enough people would willingly leave enough personal data for selling, even though initially the Plus had some high-caliber users to follow. So they have to make do with GMail, that lacks the network effect of social media.

nine_k 3y ago

Google has been supporting Russian language quite competently since early 2000s. Yandex still remained quite popular in Russia. Google has been supporting Czech reasonably, AFAICT, but Seznam stayed and stays popular in Czechia. Google may seem to have secured an unassailable position as a search engine, but DuckDuckGo and Kagi somehow found success despite that, banking on Google's shortcomings. If something holds back an appearance of a German-built or a French-built web search engine, it's likely not the Google's hegemony, and of course not a lack of scientific and engineering talent, but some other reasons.