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I don’t want to exclusively ride trains and buses. I can never enjoy it and don’t feel comfortable. I love driving around in the privacy of my car. On the other

I don’t want to exclusively ride trains and buses. I can never enjoy it and don’t feel comfortable. I love driving around in the privacy of my car. On the other hand I don’t want to say fuck the climate like the GP above. I think there’s a way to make both things work. More trains and more roads. The roads will get cleaner the more electric vehicles we have.

mulmen 3y ago
Personal transportation is fundamentally unsustainable. You can’t have it both ways.
sofixa 3y ago
The more trains you add, the less cars there will be on the road, leaving space in the therefore smaller roads for all those that need them or want to enjoy them.
- case 3y ago
  Yes, 100% this. And it’s the same for bike lanes (and the people who do not want to ride bikes). Build tons of protected bike lanes, and many more people will use them. This will make more room on the roads for people are unable (or who choose not) to bike.
Mawr 3y ago
Do you think you'd feel comfortable cycling, given proper infrastructure [1]? [1]: https://youtu.be/bMJaMy-0ChA?t=248 https://youtu.be/bMJaMy-0ChA?t=248
- huytersd 3y ago
  Cycling is fine but it’s no car. Plus I live in a relatively rural area so I doubt I could get a lot done by cycling. I love the road+car paradigm and find nothing wrong with it to be honest. I don’t want to give it up for a lesser way of traveling, I want a top down fix for car pollution instead.
  - Mawr 3y ago
    Makes sense, although your preferences wouldn't be sustainable if extended to the whole population. The only way to fix car pollution is for most trips to be made via more sustainable alternatives.
    - huytersd 3y ago
      Theoretically if everyone is using electric vehicles and all the electricity is generated renewably (not that far fetched), why not?
      - Mawr 3y ago
        Because cars are inefficient. So much so, that I'm pretty sure if you tasked an engineer to come up with the least efficient way of transporting people, they'd come up with something resembling a car. Electric cars are a good step, but they only alleviate a few downsides of cars.

mulmen 3y ago

Personal transportation is fundamentally unsustainable. You can’t have it both ways.

sofixa 3y ago

The more trains you add, the less cars there will be on the road, leaving space in the therefore smaller roads for all those that need them or want to enjoy them.

case 3y ago
Yes, 100% this. And it’s the same for bike lanes (and the people who do not want to ride bikes). Build tons of protected bike lanes, and many more people will use them. This will make more room on the roads for people are unable (or who choose not) to bike.

Mawr 3y ago

Do you think you'd feel comfortable cycling, given proper infrastructure [1]? [1]: https://youtu.be/bMJaMy-0ChA?t=248 https://youtu.be/bMJaMy-0ChA?t=248

huytersd 3y ago
Cycling is fine but it’s no car. Plus I live in a relatively rural area so I doubt I could get a lot done by cycling. I love the road+car paradigm and find nothing wrong with it to be honest. I don’t want to give it up for a lesser way of traveling, I want a top down fix for car pollution instead.
- Mawr 3y ago
  Makes sense, although your preferences wouldn't be sustainable if extended to the whole population. The only way to fix car pollution is for most trips to be made via more sustainable alternatives.
  - huytersd 3y ago
    Theoretically if everyone is using electric vehicles and all the electricity is generated renewably (not that far fetched), why not?
    - Mawr 3y ago
      Because cars are inefficient. So much so, that I'm pretty sure if you tasked an engineer to come up with the least efficient way of transporting people, they'd come up with something resembling a car. Electric cars are a good step, but they only alleviate a few downsides of cars.