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There are enough people complaining about the new internet for there to be an active internet like the past. So go walk the walk!

OfSanguineFire 3y ago
This isn't quite true. People who complain about the new internet and create alternatives, create communities with things like upvoting/downvoting, which is a noticeably different dynamic than the old internet. Moreover, the smartphone is now the default device for even people creating alternatives, and that means that longform text is much rarer today than on the old internet where everyone was posting from a real keyboard.
- krapp 3y ago
  The people who most vocally hate the new internet created Geminispace[0], which doesn't have the dynamic you mentioned. [0]https://gemini.circumlunar.space/clients.html https://gemini.circumlunar.space/clients.html
  - OfSanguineFire 3y ago
    Indeed, Gemini lacks those things (and also some matters of basic semantic markup and accessibility to the blind). However, the amount of people who took it up is so small, I personally don't feel it meets with the OP's statement that "there are enough people complaining about the new internet..."
    - krapp 3y ago
      How many people actually complain about the modern internet? As far as I can tell, it's mostly a vocal minority of misanthropic web developers. I don't think OP's comment was meant to be taken literally.
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superkuh 3y ago
IRC never died. Join us. All the HTTP-alikes (gemini, etc) are cool but you can achieve the same thing on the actual web just by actually making a website in HTML. There are still plenty of actual websites out there. You just won't ever encounter links to them from within the walled gardens. And in their own more benign way, gemini and the like are walled gardens. Hiding in small niche protocol communities isn't going to "fix" things. As for finding others: you have to surf. And that's something people don't do anymore generally. Google becoming crap has made it harder but it's still possible. We need a new searchlores for the modern era.
- whateveracct 3y ago
  It's definitely harder to surf nowadays. But I probably haven't tried hard enough :)
phendrenad2 3y ago
Exactly. If everyone who complained about the modern internet set up a php web forum and joined 2 others, this could be solved.
- whateveracct 3y ago
  You don't really need many people to have a good forum. Even 1k monthly users is beyond huge. It's just fundamentally a different scale of enterprise than social media.

OfSanguineFire 3y ago

This isn't quite true. People who complain about the new internet and create alternatives, create communities with things like upvoting/downvoting, which is a noticeably different dynamic than the old internet. Moreover, the smartphone is now the default device for even people creating alternatives, and that means that longform text is much rarer today than on the old internet where everyone was posting from a real keyboard.

krapp 3y ago
The people who most vocally hate the new internet created Geminispace[0], which doesn't have the dynamic you mentioned. [0]https://gemini.circumlunar.space/clients.html https://gemini.circumlunar.space/clients.html
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  Indeed, Gemini lacks those things (and also some matters of basic semantic markup and accessibility to the blind). However, the amount of people who took it up is so small, I personally don't feel it meets with the OP's statement that "there are enough people complaining about the new internet..."
  - krapp 3y ago
    How many people actually complain about the modern internet? As far as I can tell, it's mostly a vocal minority of misanthropic web developers. I don't think OP's comment was meant to be taken literally.
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superkuh 3y ago

IRC never died. Join us. All the HTTP-alikes (gemini, etc) are cool but you can achieve the same thing on the actual web just by actually making a website in HTML. There are still plenty of actual websites out there. You just won't ever encounter links to them from within the walled gardens. And in their own more benign way, gemini and the like are walled gardens. Hiding in small niche protocol communities isn't going to "fix" things. As for finding others: you have to surf. And that's something people don't do anymore generally. Google becoming crap has made it harder but it's still possible. We need a new searchlores for the modern era.

whateveracct 3y ago
It's definitely harder to surf nowadays. But I probably haven't tried hard enough :)

phendrenad2 3y ago

Exactly. If everyone who complained about the modern internet set up a php web forum and joined 2 others, this could be solved.

whateveracct 3y ago
You don't really need many people to have a good forum. Even 1k monthly users is beyond huge. It's just fundamentally a different scale of enterprise than social media.