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In general Italy builds transit infrastructure cheaply by European standards (which means massively cheaper than North American standards). Despite real concern
by johnfabian 3y ago
In general Italy builds transit infrastructure cheaply by European standards (which means massively cheaper than North American standards). Despite real concerns about corruption or ineffective bureaucracy they've managed to improve their rail infrastructure a lot these past few decades. Germany and the UK look very bad compared to them in this respect
- zabzonk 3y ago> In general Italy builds transit infrastructure cheaply by European standards And then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponte_Morandi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponte_Morandi
- mc32 3y agoGiven that bridge was in its 5th decade, I don't see how that applies to what the Italians have done in the last couple of decades, unless you're arguing what they are building today will be tomorrows Morandi Bridges?
- zabzonk 3y agoi have no idea what the italians have been doing. i would observe that in the uk most bridge failures were in the 19th century, when the properties of materials such as cast iron were not too well understood - same lack of understanding that the morandi bridge seems to have had much more recently.
- handsclean 3y agoWikipedia lists 282 bridge failures between 2000 and present, 4 of which occurred in the UK, 7 in Italy, and 35 in the US.
- zabzonk 3y agono doubt my wikipedia skills are lacking, but kindly where are you getting the 4 in the uk from?
- handsclean 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bridge_failures#2000–present https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bridge_failures#2000–p... I admit it’s not great data, but I think it’s a step better than drawing conclusions from a single event.
- stratom 3y agoGermany deliberately starved public transport to death over last decades, spending money nearly exclusively on motor highways to pleasure lobbyists.