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there's a major difference with the EU system is is not possible for the parliament to modify or remove previously passed legislation, once you have a bad law

there's a major difference with the EU system is is not possible for the parliament to modify or remove previously passed legislation, once you have a bad law it's essentially permanent this is not true of the UK system (see what happened to the Identity Cards Act 2006)

scott_w 3y ago
That’s total gibberish. It’s not easy but it’s absolutely possible to amend EU legislation. It works in exactly the same way as the UK: by enacting new legislation.
- blibble 3y ago
  > That’s total gibberish. okay, so how can the parliament do it?
  - scott_w 3y ago
    By passing new laws with the EC. You act like the British Parliament can pass law without government approval. Spoiler alert: it can’t.
    - blibble 3y ago
      > By passing new laws with the EC. right, so it can't, thank you > You act like the British Parliament can pass law without government approval. Spoiler alert: it can’t. are you a time traveler from before the 1640s? there was a civil war fought over this point, parliament won and is sovereign the parliamentary majority and government are not the same thing this should be obvious to anyone from the 2019-2020 mess where the government didn't have a majority there is no government approval anywhere in the legislative process most bills are proposed by government ministers (by the fact they also happen to be parliamentarians), but this is also not a requirement bills can be proposed and passed into law entirely by parliament, they're called "private members bills"
      - scott_w 3y ago
        You’re confusing theory and fact: in theory, private members bills can be passed. In practice, that rarely happens if the government doesn’t want it to, irrespective of what Parliament wants. Denying parliamentary time is one way, simply disregarding it (HS2) is another. It’s interesting you cite as evidence a time where LITERALLY NO LEGISLATION WAS PASSED and think it supports your argument…
        blibble 3y ago
        > You’re confusing theory and fact: in theory, private members bills can be passed. In practice, that rarely happens if the government doesn’t want it to right, so your previous statement: "it can’t." has now changed to "that rarely happens" I'm done here
        scott_w 3y ago
        No, I pointed out that they ABSOLUTELY DO NOT PASS if government doesn’t want them to. They RARELY pass most of the time anyway. But you think a time that Parliament couldn’t do anything is evidence Parliament is able to overrule government in practice. I’m not holding out hope for your critical thinking so just take your victory where you can: in your imagination.
    - Saline9515 3y ago
      Parliament doesn't have initiative and is only consultative (0 power). It can mainly give its perspective on the curvature of cucumbers (yeah it's regulated in the EU, don't mess up with that).

scott_w 3y ago

That’s total gibberish. It’s not easy but it’s absolutely possible to amend EU legislation. It works in exactly the same way as the UK: by enacting new legislation.

blibble 3y ago
> That’s total gibberish. okay, so how can the parliament do it?
- scott_w 3y ago
  By passing new laws with the EC. You act like the British Parliament can pass law without government approval. Spoiler alert: it can’t.
  - blibble 3y ago
    > By passing new laws with the EC. right, so it can't, thank you > You act like the British Parliament can pass law without government approval. Spoiler alert: it can’t. are you a time traveler from before the 1640s? there was a civil war fought over this point, parliament won and is sovereign the parliamentary majority and government are not the same thing this should be obvious to anyone from the 2019-2020 mess where the government didn't have a majority there is no government approval anywhere in the legislative process most bills are proposed by government ministers (by the fact they also happen to be parliamentarians), but this is also not a requirement bills can be proposed and passed into law entirely by parliament, they're called "private members bills"
    - scott_w 3y ago
      You’re confusing theory and fact: in theory, private members bills can be passed. In practice, that rarely happens if the government doesn’t want it to, irrespective of what Parliament wants. Denying parliamentary time is one way, simply disregarding it (HS2) is another. It’s interesting you cite as evidence a time where LITERALLY NO LEGISLATION WAS PASSED and think it supports your argument…
      - blibble 3y ago
        > You’re confusing theory and fact: in theory, private members bills can be passed. In practice, that rarely happens if the government doesn’t want it to right, so your previous statement: "it can’t." has now changed to "that rarely happens" I'm done here
        scott_w 3y ago
        No, I pointed out that they ABSOLUTELY DO NOT PASS if government doesn’t want them to. They RARELY pass most of the time anyway. But you think a time that Parliament couldn’t do anything is evidence Parliament is able to overrule government in practice. I’m not holding out hope for your critical thinking so just take your victory where you can: in your imagination.
  - Saline9515 3y ago
    Parliament doesn't have initiative and is only consultative (0 power). It can mainly give its perspective on the curvature of cucumbers (yeah it's regulated in the EU, don't mess up with that).