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FreeBSD 14.0-RC1 Now Available

89 points by vermaden 3y ago

craftkiller 3y ago
Changelog: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/ https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/
doublepg23 3y ago
> FreeBSD 15.0 is not expected to include support for 32-bit platforms. However, 64-bit systems will still be able to run older 32-bit binaries. > ... > With the current support schedule, stable/14 will be reach End of Life (EOL) 5 years after the release of FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE. The EOL of stable/14 would mark the end of support for 32-bit platforms including source releases, pre-built packages, and support for building applications from ports. Given an estimated release date of October 2023 for 14.0-RELEASE, support for 32-bit platforms would end in October 2028. Still quite a bit of a long tail, but likely time to do it, if not overdue. I think the last time I had a 32-bit laptop was a Thinkpad r60 which I was able to upgrade to a 64-bit CPU...that laptop was from 2006.
- LeFantome 3y ago
  64 bit Intel appeared with the Core 2 Duo mid-2006.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
    It would be more interesting to know when they stopped shipping processors that were 32-bit only.
    - doublepg23 3y ago
      Some sort of Atom chip would be my guess.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
        Either atom (early 2010s), or quark (late 2010s) I think. My point is that those were actually sold relativity recently. Not common, not that recent, but plausibly still worth creating about today. (Though IMO possibly fine for 2028)
  - doublepg23 3y ago
    Yes the R60 supports adding a Core 2 Duo via the socketed chip. https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:R60 https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:R60
torcete 3y ago
I have an old beaglebone black that I like to use with FreeBSD. Last time I tried, I was unable to make it book with the armv7 generic version. Has anybody any successful experience running FreeBSD on the beaglebone?
- shrubble 3y ago
  I didn't have any problems installing it, though it was not very zippy in installation. What part failed for you?
  - torcete 3y ago
    It didn't even boot. However, I did a bit of research and I probably confused the proc type. Under Linux it claims to be: model name : ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l) Which is a 32 bit processor. If I go to the download page: https://download.freebsd.org/releases/arm/armv7/ISO-IMAGES/13.2/ https://download.freebsd.org/releases/arm/armv7/ISO-IMAGES/1... That made be believed it is for my processor, but no, that's a 64 bit version. I guess I just need to find a 32 bit version image.
404mm 3y ago
Huh, I’m not really tracking UNIX releases anymore but I thought that 14.0 has been out for a while. My pfSense router has been claiming to run on 14.0 since may 2023: > 23.05.1-RELEASE (amd64) > built on Wed Jun 28 03:57:27 UTC 2023 > FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT
- oneguynick 3y ago
  Current is different than an actual release: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#current-stable https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#cur...
  - 404mm 3y ago
    I thought that CURRENT takes place after a GA release. Thanks! TIL
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Besides current not being release, the release version of 14 was delayed a few months for a refactor of openssl. Originally it was planned for June iirc.
alberth 3y ago
Things I wish FreeBSD would change: - turning all services (except ssh) off, by default. OpenBSD does this. - move all non-core things out of the base, like sendmail (now DMA, what a nice import from DFly btw) - the base should only have one way to do things (don’t have 3 different firewalls in base like today) - better defaults, https://vez.mrsk.me/freebsd-defaults.html https://vez.mrsk.me/freebsd-defaults.html - something like io-uring, (async-sendfile is similar but that’s only for sendfile) Note: I really love FreeBSD. So don’t take my comments as hate.
- j16sdiz 3y ago
  Changing default or moving thing to port can breaks upgrades. I hope, if they do that, would plan carefully before pushing.
  - alberth 3y ago
    Wouldn’t you do this for new installs only.

89 points by vermaden 3y ago

Changelog: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/ https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/

> FreeBSD 15.0 is not expected to include support for 32-bit platforms. However, 64-bit systems will still be able to run older 32-bit binaries. > ... > With the current support schedule, stable/14 will be reach End of Life (EOL) 5 years after the release of FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE. The EOL of stable/14 would mark the end of support for 32-bit platforms including source releases, pre-built packages, and support for building applications from ports. Given an estimated release date of October 2023 for 14.0-RELEASE, support for 32-bit platforms would end in October 2028. Still quite a bit of a long tail, but likely time to do it, if not overdue. I think the last time I had a 32-bit laptop was a Thinkpad r60 which I was able to upgrade to a 64-bit CPU...that laptop was from 2006.

LeFantome 3y ago
64 bit Intel appeared with the Core 2 Duo mid-2006.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  It would be more interesting to know when they stopped shipping processors that were 32-bit only.
  - doublepg23 3y ago
    Some sort of Atom chip would be my guess.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
      Either atom (early 2010s), or quark (late 2010s) I think. My point is that those were actually sold relativity recently. Not common, not that recent, but plausibly still worth creating about today. (Though IMO possibly fine for 2028)
- doublepg23 3y ago
  Yes the R60 supports adding a Core 2 Duo via the socketed chip. https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:R60 https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:R60

torcete 3y ago

I have an old beaglebone black that I like to use with FreeBSD. Last time I tried, I was unable to make it book with the armv7 generic version. Has anybody any successful experience running FreeBSD on the beaglebone?

shrubble 3y ago
I didn't have any problems installing it, though it was not very zippy in installation. What part failed for you?
- torcete 3y ago
  It didn't even boot. However, I did a bit of research and I probably confused the proc type. Under Linux it claims to be: model name : ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l) Which is a 32 bit processor. If I go to the download page: https://download.freebsd.org/releases/arm/armv7/ISO-IMAGES/13.2/ https://download.freebsd.org/releases/arm/armv7/ISO-IMAGES/1... That made be believed it is for my processor, but no, that's a 64 bit version. I guess I just need to find a 32 bit version image.

404mm 3y ago

Huh, I’m not really tracking UNIX releases anymore but I thought that 14.0 has been out for a while. My pfSense router has been claiming to run on 14.0 since may 2023: > 23.05.1-RELEASE (amd64) > built on Wed Jun 28 03:57:27 UTC 2023 > FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT

oneguynick 3y ago
Current is different than an actual release: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#current-stable https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#cur...
- 404mm 3y ago
  I thought that CURRENT takes place after a GA release. Thanks! TIL
wkat4242 3y ago
Besides current not being release, the release version of 14 was delayed a few months for a refactor of openssl. Originally it was planned for June iirc.

alberth 3y ago

Things I wish FreeBSD would change: - turning all services (except ssh) off, by default. OpenBSD does this. - move all non-core things out of the base, like sendmail (now DMA, what a nice import from DFly btw) - the base should only have one way to do things (don’t have 3 different firewalls in base like today) - better defaults, https://vez.mrsk.me/freebsd-defaults.html https://vez.mrsk.me/freebsd-defaults.html - something like io-uring, (async-sendfile is similar but that’s only for sendfile) Note: I really love FreeBSD. So don’t take my comments as hate.

j16sdiz 3y ago
Changing default or moving thing to port can breaks upgrades. I hope, if they do that, would plan carefully before pushing.
- alberth 3y ago
  Wouldn’t you do this for new installs only.