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> We all just want to escape this tyrannical dictatorship. Well, I actually do.

Loughla 3y ago
Can you expand on why, please? From the outside looking in, most European countries seem much better at most things than where I live in the US (unless you're very wealthy, I guess).
- hef19898 3y ago
  You are on forum of temporarily embarased billionaires (now coping with mass FAANG layoffs), so what do you expect?
  - refurb 3y ago
    This is kind of a lazy answer. Who said anything about billionaires? Many people see the benefit of a more vibrant growing economy in the US vs the EU and at the end of the day, end up personally benefiting from it to with (much) higher wages.
- zo1 3y ago
  Not OP. But some of us have seen how the life can function "just fine" even without the huge amount of control and laws that the EU has. I'm gonna be a bit crass here to convey my point. I currently live in a "shithole" country, and I'd still not want to live in the EU in comparison. I've had this discussion with many people that came back, with family that lives there, with my wife seeing if we want to move there "for our kids future", and always it ends up being a "No", or "let's see if it looks better next year". Sure, maybe there is a pocket here, a pocket there, or a city/state/province etc that I would want to live in, or is "Okay". But the rest looks positively horrifying. For starters, I don't want to live in a place where I either have to be ridiculously wealthy or a slave my entire life just to own land that isn't a tiny capsule apartment in an overcrowded city. Land I probably won't be able to do what I want on exactly, anyways. Anywho, I'm biased. I see Europe as the "pathetic" and "weak" West that is basically slowly killing itself out of some sort of collective cultural guilt for who knows what. It's killing itself in the name of some noble good, whilst the world filled with state-level bullies is destroying the world. No thank you.
  - ur-whale 3y ago
    > Land I probably won't be able to do what I want on exactly, anyways. I can confirm this. One of the myriad of reasons that made me leave the EU for good. Land "ownership" is a joke in the EU. Worse, it's actually a scam: if you own property in most of the western EU, you have about the same rights a tenant would have.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      That is so objectively wrong, I don't even know where to start... Utter Liberitarian none-sense...
    - scott_w 3y ago
      Land ownership has literally fuck all to do with the EU.
- admissionsguy 3y ago
  There is now a pretty big wealth gap between the US and the "rich" EU countries. I expect it to keep growing. As the EU economy further stagnates, it will become a zero-sum game with, I expect, ever increasing level of government control and eventually repression. Even now I don't agree with your assessment that European countries are much better at most things. Even the glorified "free" healthcare turns out to be neither free nor universal when you actually get to use it.
  - kubb 3y ago
    I’m wondering why didn’t you leave yet? The US doesn’t want to give you a visa or something? Or is the tyranny here stopping you from leaving?
- tomatotomato37 3y ago
  The big desirable thing about the EU is it's strong social net and relatively modern urban infrastructure. If you like the city or don't have a safety net from some other auxiliary source such as family or church it's superior. Otherwise the US wins out in factors such as an overall more vibrant economy, more personal freedoms, not having a major landwar on its borders, etc. Also all this just applies to the actual good parts of each region. There's no point in comparing rural Alabama to Serbia cause we already know they're both shitholes.
  - sesm 3y ago
    Have you ever been to Serbia? I’ve been living there for the past year and to me it looks like a great place in terms of value for the money.
    - admissionsguy 3y ago
      If it's anything like Poland, it may enable a great material standard of life, but the parochial culture and overall nastiness (and they support Russia, so they must be nasty) will grind you down over time.

Can you expand on why, please? From the outside looking in, most European countries seem much better at most things than where I live in the US (unless you're very wealthy, I guess).

hef19898 3y ago
You are on forum of temporarily embarased billionaires (now coping with mass FAANG layoffs), so what do you expect?
- refurb 3y ago
  This is kind of a lazy answer. Who said anything about billionaires? Many people see the benefit of a more vibrant growing economy in the US vs the EU and at the end of the day, end up personally benefiting from it to with (much) higher wages.
zo1 3y ago
Not OP. But some of us have seen how the life can function "just fine" even without the huge amount of control and laws that the EU has. I'm gonna be a bit crass here to convey my point. I currently live in a "shithole" country, and I'd still not want to live in the EU in comparison. I've had this discussion with many people that came back, with family that lives there, with my wife seeing if we want to move there "for our kids future", and always it ends up being a "No", or "let's see if it looks better next year". Sure, maybe there is a pocket here, a pocket there, or a city/state/province etc that I would want to live in, or is "Okay". But the rest looks positively horrifying. For starters, I don't want to live in a place where I either have to be ridiculously wealthy or a slave my entire life just to own land that isn't a tiny capsule apartment in an overcrowded city. Land I probably won't be able to do what I want on exactly, anyways. Anywho, I'm biased. I see Europe as the "pathetic" and "weak" West that is basically slowly killing itself out of some sort of collective cultural guilt for who knows what. It's killing itself in the name of some noble good, whilst the world filled with state-level bullies is destroying the world. No thank you.
- ur-whale 3y ago
  > Land I probably won't be able to do what I want on exactly, anyways. I can confirm this. One of the myriad of reasons that made me leave the EU for good. Land "ownership" is a joke in the EU. Worse, it's actually a scam: if you own property in most of the western EU, you have about the same rights a tenant would have.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    That is so objectively wrong, I don't even know where to start... Utter Liberitarian none-sense...
  - scott_w 3y ago
    Land ownership has literally fuck all to do with the EU.
admissionsguy 3y ago
There is now a pretty big wealth gap between the US and the "rich" EU countries. I expect it to keep growing. As the EU economy further stagnates, it will become a zero-sum game with, I expect, ever increasing level of government control and eventually repression. Even now I don't agree with your assessment that European countries are much better at most things. Even the glorified "free" healthcare turns out to be neither free nor universal when you actually get to use it.
- kubb 3y ago
  I’m wondering why didn’t you leave yet? The US doesn’t want to give you a visa or something? Or is the tyranny here stopping you from leaving?
tomatotomato37 3y ago
The big desirable thing about the EU is it's strong social net and relatively modern urban infrastructure. If you like the city or don't have a safety net from some other auxiliary source such as family or church it's superior. Otherwise the US wins out in factors such as an overall more vibrant economy, more personal freedoms, not having a major landwar on its borders, etc. Also all this just applies to the actual good parts of each region. There's no point in comparing rural Alabama to Serbia cause we already know they're both shitholes.
- sesm 3y ago
  Have you ever been to Serbia? I’ve been living there for the past year and to me it looks like a great place in terms of value for the money.
  - admissionsguy 3y ago
    If it's anything like Poland, it may enable a great material standard of life, but the parochial culture and overall nastiness (and they support Russia, so they must be nasty) will grind you down over time.