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Interesting. Here in Sydney, Australia, they’re all run by the government, however speeding incurs a loss of points against your license (as well as hefty fines

Interesting. Here in Sydney, Australia, they’re all run by the government, however speeding incurs a loss of points against your license (as well as hefty fines). Lose too many points and you lose your license. This system ensures the cloistered elite are incentivised to stick to the limits too. There’s a totally separate discussion about what tolerances are used and what levels of punishment to hand out.. things here are far too strict on that front.

bix6 3y ago
Speeding adds points to your license but red light camera violations don’t. It’s a pure cash grab hence why they shut it down in the first place because all the private companies were cheating their way into fines by shortening light cycles. If this was truly about safety concerns then it would add points. Skimmed an article now claiming the primary concern is speeding. So why not deploy our officers with radar guns instead to add points? What’s a $50 fine for going 15mph over the speed limit gonna do? Nothing.
morkalork 3y ago
In Canada if speed excessively and get pulled over you get a fine and demerit points but if a camera catches you, it's just the fine. The logic being that they know your car was speeding but not who was driving it.
aidenn0 3y ago
Automated cameras can only fine you in the US, since they would have to prove who was driving the car to add points to your license.
- UncleEntity 3y ago
  The only people who can force you to pay those automated tickets are the courts and they 100% have to prove who was driving the vehicle. Or, you can voluntarily pay, I suppose... One of my old neighbors got a letter (complete with a picture of the "perp") kindly asking him who was driving his car and I told him to just ignore it unless they drag him into court since they obviously knew he wasn't driving. There's also the "spousal privilege" thing, his wife was driving, so they theoretically couldn't even force him to say who the offender was.
  - aidenn0 3y ago
    It probably depends on the state; in many states you can't get out of a parking ticket by saying you weren't the person driving and there's no reason to not use the same process for speeding and red-light cameras. Of course that requires changing the laws, and some states did not do so.

bix6 3y ago

Speeding adds points to your license but red light camera violations don’t. It’s a pure cash grab hence why they shut it down in the first place because all the private companies were cheating their way into fines by shortening light cycles. If this was truly about safety concerns then it would add points. Skimmed an article now claiming the primary concern is speeding. So why not deploy our officers with radar guns instead to add points? What’s a $50 fine for going 15mph over the speed limit gonna do? Nothing.

morkalork 3y ago

In Canada if speed excessively and get pulled over you get a fine and demerit points but if a camera catches you, it's just the fine. The logic being that they know your car was speeding but not who was driving it.

aidenn0 3y ago

Automated cameras can only fine you in the US, since they would have to prove who was driving the car to add points to your license.

UncleEntity 3y ago
The only people who can force you to pay those automated tickets are the courts and they 100% have to prove who was driving the vehicle. Or, you can voluntarily pay, I suppose... One of my old neighbors got a letter (complete with a picture of the "perp") kindly asking him who was driving his car and I told him to just ignore it unless they drag him into court since they obviously knew he wasn't driving. There's also the "spousal privilege" thing, his wife was driving, so they theoretically couldn't even force him to say who the offender was.
- aidenn0 3y ago
  It probably depends on the state; in many states you can't get out of a parking ticket by saying you weren't the person driving and there's no reason to not use the same process for speeding and red-light cameras. Of course that requires changing the laws, and some states did not do so.