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Doesn't the profile just say how many VAC bans you've received? That's just a statement of fact rather than slander, regardless of fairness of the ban. Overall

Doesn't the profile just say how many VAC bans you've received? That's just a statement of fact rather than slander, regardless of fairness of the ban. Overall though, when you make a Steam account, you agree to their terms of service, where you agree not to engage in "modification of content and services" in the context of multiplayer games. You also agree that the owners of the game the modification was made to can report you to Valve, that Valve can put that info on your profile, and that other games can decide to deny you online services for that. You still retain access to offline stuff and any online games which don't care about your VAC bans. It sort of sucks in the sense that sometimes you might not know that something is modifying your game executable, thus getting you a ban, but otherwise a reasonable means of dealing with cheaters.

beeboobaa 3y ago
The average user is not capable to agree or disagree with such a requirement. Look at this very post: all they did was enable a feature of their GPU driver. And they got branded a cheater by Valve. Sure, Valve promises to make it right this time but how can a user predict what will happen when they update or install software on their machine that happens to step on Valve's toes? And good luck getting anyone to believe you or even look into your case unless the issue affects a ton of players and makes the headlines.
- dotnet00 3y ago
  Valve's solution appears to be to have a "trusted mode" which rejects modifications. This is obviously a minimal barrier for malicious code, but it can reject benign code (eg Discord's in game layout). Thus, they expect that the average user is likely to only be running "average" things like Discord and the graphics driver, which should be using the benign way of injecting themselves rather than breaking into trusted mode.
  - beeboobaa 3y ago
    I don't know how it works in detail, all I know is that they once again banned players for something completely beneign, all the while pretending that they never make mistakes.
    - dotnet00 3y ago
      The point I'm making is that Valve has defined fairly clear lines in the sand for what they consider acceptable behavior from 3rd party applications and it's AMD's fault for pushing something that is not in fact benign as being benign.
- hypercube33 3y ago
  I agree and in this case it may have just been a driver update turning this feature on. My friend has auto hotkey installed for volume control automations and immediately got banned for single player call of duty. Valve at least is trying to be fair vs. Activision just saying "too bad"

beeboobaa 3y ago

The average user is not capable to agree or disagree with such a requirement. Look at this very post: all they did was enable a feature of their GPU driver. And they got branded a cheater by Valve. Sure, Valve promises to make it right this time but how can a user predict what will happen when they update or install software on their machine that happens to step on Valve's toes? And good luck getting anyone to believe you or even look into your case unless the issue affects a ton of players and makes the headlines.

dotnet00 3y ago
Valve's solution appears to be to have a "trusted mode" which rejects modifications. This is obviously a minimal barrier for malicious code, but it can reject benign code (eg Discord's in game layout). Thus, they expect that the average user is likely to only be running "average" things like Discord and the graphics driver, which should be using the benign way of injecting themselves rather than breaking into trusted mode.
- beeboobaa 3y ago
  I don't know how it works in detail, all I know is that they once again banned players for something completely beneign, all the while pretending that they never make mistakes.
  - dotnet00 3y ago
    The point I'm making is that Valve has defined fairly clear lines in the sand for what they consider acceptable behavior from 3rd party applications and it's AMD's fault for pushing something that is not in fact benign as being benign.
hypercube33 3y ago
I agree and in this case it may have just been a driver update turning this feature on. My friend has auto hotkey installed for volume control automations and immediately got banned for single player call of duty. Valve at least is trying to be fair vs. Activision just saying "too bad"