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Criticism will be there but it would be hypocritical. I can support ukraine's defense for example but I can't say from a morally authoritative perspective that

by _8j50 3y ago

Criticism will be there but it would be hypocritical. I can support ukraine's defense for example but I can't say from a morally authoritative perspective that Russia is so horrible. Every country is an invasion away from ceasing to exist. That's why militaries and alliances exist. That's why NATO exists. The US has been trying to do something similar as NATO in the pacific but they are not doing well picking sides there. Look at most of western China for example, it was not China 80 years ago, it was all a result of invading and incorporating other countries like Tibet. I mean, western media will act high and mighty but this is just the reality of the world. This was the context under which the Korean and Vietnamese wars were fought by the US. Empires keep expanding until they collapse, this is still true today. I just like to remember what empire I live in and that partly thanks to war averse folks like you, we do try to avoid and minimize war and invasions but also spend a crapton of money into a military that serves as a deterrence of wider scale global conflicts, wars and instabilities. The CIAs actions don't need to be excused because the CIA does not act on its own. It acted on your behalf if you are an american (my behalf too). And I for one support electing level headed leaders who would look at classified information I don't know and then decide what the CIA would do on my behalf.

defrost 3y ago
On your behalf, or on behalf of individual US companies, regular or (especially) Military "defence" contractors? The company responded by intensively lobbying the U.S. government to intervene and mounting a misinformation campaign to portray the Guatemalan government as communist. In 1954, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency deposed the democratically elected government of Guatemala, and installed a pro-business military dictatorship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company Exactly how many democracies has the US toppled through fear that the "socialist leaning" elected people's government might not buy American or fully align with the US hegemony? How has that played out for the US in the long term (this thread, for example, being about Iran).
- _8j50 3y ago
  On our behalf. Whether or not the american people elect politicians that are corporate puppets is irrelevant because they vote anyways and accept the legitimacy of their government. The US public is very much pro-business. In every election cycle you almost never see the economy and jobs being less than #1 and #2 topics. Even the very fact that you are criticizing the govenrment, I suspect is a result of a good economy, perhaps you would be wondering why we are not invading someone if things were much more dire? Most people would and have too. > How has that played out for the US in the long term (this thread, for example, being about Iran). A better question is how might it have turned out otherwise. I don't see any war with Iran for example. > Exactly how many democracies has the US toppled through fear that the "socialist leaning" elected people's government might not buy American or fully align with the US hegemony? As empires go, are you saying the US is doing worse here? Colonisation would have been the first choice by any other historical empire. America can pretty much manifest destiny our way into the rest of the world you know. I mean, it's actually thanks to more level headed folks like you that doesn't happen. If it were up to me, they would get a tomahawk for so much as spelling America wrong. But don't worry, you will get your way, China and much of the world has forgotten what world wars were like and the CIA thanks to the changing views of the US public has gone soft. It will be you or your children that will pay the price. The CIA is a paramilitary org that "nips it in the bud" as they say, except even that offends your sensibilities so let's go back to full on century long back and forth warring with nukes, drones, slaughterbots and ML now!
  - defrost 3y ago
    There's a comment very much packed with odd assumptions.

by _8j50 3y ago

defrost 3y ago

On your behalf, or on behalf of individual US companies, regular or (especially) Military "defence" contractors? The company responded by intensively lobbying the U.S. government to intervene and mounting a misinformation campaign to portray the Guatemalan government as communist. In 1954, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency deposed the democratically elected government of Guatemala, and installed a pro-business military dictatorship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company Exactly how many democracies has the US toppled through fear that the "socialist leaning" elected people's government might not buy American or fully align with the US hegemony? How has that played out for the US in the long term (this thread, for example, being about Iran).

_8j50 3y ago
On our behalf. Whether or not the american people elect politicians that are corporate puppets is irrelevant because they vote anyways and accept the legitimacy of their government. The US public is very much pro-business. In every election cycle you almost never see the economy and jobs being less than #1 and #2 topics. Even the very fact that you are criticizing the govenrment, I suspect is a result of a good economy, perhaps you would be wondering why we are not invading someone if things were much more dire? Most people would and have too. > How has that played out for the US in the long term (this thread, for example, being about Iran). A better question is how might it have turned out otherwise. I don't see any war with Iran for example. > Exactly how many democracies has the US toppled through fear that the "socialist leaning" elected people's government might not buy American or fully align with the US hegemony? As empires go, are you saying the US is doing worse here? Colonisation would have been the first choice by any other historical empire. America can pretty much manifest destiny our way into the rest of the world you know. I mean, it's actually thanks to more level headed folks like you that doesn't happen. If it were up to me, they would get a tomahawk for so much as spelling America wrong. But don't worry, you will get your way, China and much of the world has forgotten what world wars were like and the CIA thanks to the changing views of the US public has gone soft. It will be you or your children that will pay the price. The CIA is a paramilitary org that "nips it in the bud" as they say, except even that offends your sensibilities so let's go back to full on century long back and forth warring with nukes, drones, slaughterbots and ML now!
- defrost 3y ago
  There's a comment very much packed with odd assumptions.