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>For instance real wages are up to a somewhat ridiculous degree, home ownership rates are substantially up (now higher than 90%!), and so on. lol, everyone wit

>For instance real wages are up to a somewhat ridiculous degree, home ownership rates are substantially up (now higher than 90%!), and so on. lol, everyone with half a brain ran from Russia as soon as they could, and they aren't coming back if they can avoid it. And the ruble will continue to sink lower and lower. There's no reason to think it wouldn't and no matter how you try to spin it, that's not a good thing for Russia's economy.

somenameforme 3y ago
The site has data on that too! In 2008, there were 68 million employed persons. Today there are 74 million. In 2008 there was a population of 142 million, today it's 146 million. Even their fertility rate is up, after much focus on it. In 2008 it was 1.456, today it's 1.825 [1]. Still far too low, especially for a country with so much land, but this is a struggle all developed nations are currently facing and, by that standard, 1.825 is better than average. These are simply data. The spin is how the media takes one single data point, and disingenuously frames is as a core targeted effect. The sanctions are certainly having an impact, but in terms of the desired outcome - the destabilization or collapse of Russia - they have been a complete failure. Instead the primary consequence of our actions has been to split the world in 2, almost certainly to our own detriment. [1] - https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/fertility-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/fertility-r...
- leptons 3y ago
  You work hard to serve Putin. Lies are all that Russia has. There is no reason to believe any numbers that Russia supplies about their economy. They lie about literally everything. It's easier than having actual prosperity.
  - somenameforme 3y ago
    You know you can take a stroll around e.g. Moscow anytime you like? Search YouTube for something like "Прогулка по Москве". That means 'taking a walk around Moscow'. Change москве to Санкт-Петербург for St. Petersburg. Here's [1] a video from a couple of months ago in Petersburg at the tail end of summer. Here's [2] one from literally 2 hours ago in Moscow. That would've been at around 7pm, and in 13C Fall weather, so not the most enticing, but it also gives an interesting perspective IMO. Russia is the new enemy, or the old one I suppose. We've always been at war with Eastasia after all, right? Perhaps a more appropriate reference would be, "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZuoXU6y5sY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZuoXU6y5sY [2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_yIkGFzKeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_yIkGFzKeU
    - leptons 3y ago
      >You know you can take a stroll around e.g. Moscow anytime you like? No thanks, I never, ever would do that, because FUCK RUSSIA.
      - somenameforme 3y ago
        Up to you. Personally before deciding to hate something or somebody as much as you seemingly do, based on the words of others, I'd like to ensure that what they're saying is at least true. Otherwise, you risk just becoming a hate fueled tool, literally no different than Germany circa 1935.
        leptons 3y ago
        Oh, so you don't think I have enough information about Russia to form an opinion? lol, you really do work for Putin, you've removed all doubt. FUCK RUSSIA.
        somenameforme 3y ago
        I'm certain you've exposed yourself to a quite impressive volume of Irrefutable and Undeniable [1] information. The problem in society is people not learning from the past. What happened yesterday is happening today, and will happen again tomorrow. [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/06/opinion/irrefutable-and-undeniable.html https://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/06/opinion/irrefutable-and-u...
        leptons 3y ago
        Russia doing awful shit and getting sanctioned for it is nothing new. It happened yesterday, is happening today, and will continue to happen so long as they are a mafia state that uses violence to achieve their wrong goals.
        somenameforme 3y ago

somenameforme 3y ago

The site has data on that too! In 2008, there were 68 million employed persons. Today there are 74 million. In 2008 there was a population of 142 million, today it's 146 million. Even their fertility rate is up, after much focus on it. In 2008 it was 1.456, today it's 1.825 [1]. Still far too low, especially for a country with so much land, but this is a struggle all developed nations are currently facing and, by that standard, 1.825 is better than average. These are simply data. The spin is how the media takes one single data point, and disingenuously frames is as a core targeted effect. The sanctions are certainly having an impact, but in terms of the desired outcome - the destabilization or collapse of Russia - they have been a complete failure. Instead the primary consequence of our actions has been to split the world in 2, almost certainly to our own detriment. [1] - https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/fertility-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/fertility-r...

leptons 3y ago
You work hard to serve Putin. Lies are all that Russia has. There is no reason to believe any numbers that Russia supplies about their economy. They lie about literally everything. It's easier than having actual prosperity.
- somenameforme 3y ago
  You know you can take a stroll around e.g. Moscow anytime you like? Search YouTube for something like "Прогулка по Москве". That means 'taking a walk around Moscow'. Change москве to Санкт-Петербург for St. Petersburg. Here's [1] a video from a couple of months ago in Petersburg at the tail end of summer. Here's [2] one from literally 2 hours ago in Moscow. That would've been at around 7pm, and in 13C Fall weather, so not the most enticing, but it also gives an interesting perspective IMO. Russia is the new enemy, or the old one I suppose. We've always been at war with Eastasia after all, right? Perhaps a more appropriate reference would be, "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZuoXU6y5sY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZuoXU6y5sY [2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_yIkGFzKeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_yIkGFzKeU
  - leptons 3y ago
    >You know you can take a stroll around e.g. Moscow anytime you like? No thanks, I never, ever would do that, because FUCK RUSSIA.
    - somenameforme 3y ago
      Up to you. Personally before deciding to hate something or somebody as much as you seemingly do, based on the words of others, I'd like to ensure that what they're saying is at least true. Otherwise, you risk just becoming a hate fueled tool, literally no different than Germany circa 1935.
      - leptons 3y ago
        Oh, so you don't think I have enough information about Russia to form an opinion? lol, you really do work for Putin, you've removed all doubt. FUCK RUSSIA.
        somenameforme 3y ago
        I'm certain you've exposed yourself to a quite impressive volume of Irrefutable and Undeniable [1] information. The problem in society is people not learning from the past. What happened yesterday is happening today, and will happen again tomorrow. [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/06/opinion/irrefutable-and-undeniable.html https://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/06/opinion/irrefutable-and-u...
        leptons 3y ago
        Russia doing awful shit and getting sanctioned for it is nothing new. It happened yesterday, is happening today, and will continue to happen so long as they are a mafia state that uses violence to achieve their wrong goals.
        somenameforme 3y ago