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One tension is that while there absolutely is a strong pressure to act because of how different things are than in days of postcard illustrations and smutty mag

One tension is that while there absolutely is a strong pressure to act because of how different things are than in days of postcard illustrations and smutty magazines, any action on traditionally suppressed adult lifestyles inevitably draws in traditionalist activists/lobbies who try to use it as a fresh opportunity to repress those lifestyles again. There's a tough balance to achieve between responsible social governance and the historical battle between traditionalist communities and modern pluralism. And then there of course is the challenge of practically enforcing anything like that in a digital world with global permeability. You can try to force companies in US/US-allied countries to do all kinds of things, but what's the gain if The Nation of Xyz or a decentralizing technology leaves the content just as available. All you've done is hurt a local industry with no actual social benefit gained. In the real world, this stuff is tough to navigate.

tuatoru 3y ago
> traditionally suppressed adult lifestyles It's a Chesterton's Fence issue and an individual vs social harm one. Maybe, just maybe, those traditionally suppressed lifestyles were suppressed because those societies had memories of what happens when they are not suppressed. Apparently there is some meme on Tick-tock these days asking men how often they think about the Roman Empire. Quite a lot, it appears. Learning about fifth-century Roman society may be instructive. History may rhyme; it may not. What are the risks and benefits? I am old; I have no dog in this fight either way. Purely intellectual interest. > All you've done is hurt a local industry with no actual social benefit gained. No, you have re-deployed resources in more pro-social places. There is a net benefit. Shut down Only Fans, and some of the performers will find work as gardeners or hair-stylists' assistants. Some of the viewers may venture out of their basements as well.
- swatcoder 3y ago
  > Maybe, just maybe, those traditionally suppressed lifestyles were suppressed because those societies had memories of what happens when they are not suppressed. That would be more plausible if we saw that all mature cultures ended up with the same or similar norms. But we don't. Instead, we see a rich variety of norms across history and cultures, but also many examples of territorialism where specific cultures try to impose their idiosyncratic norms on others. And maybe there's good to be found even in that (uniformity is easier to govern), but it does run against the pluralist principles of the modern west.
- mptest 3y ago
  >Shut down Only Fans, and some of the performers will find work as gardeners or hair-stylists' assistants Hilarious comment if serious. Do you think women who chose to do onlyfans were making good money in whatever job they were doing before that?[0] How much money do you think gardeners make? Perhaps one of the most comically out of touch statements I've ever seen. Up there with "what could a banana cost michael, 10$?" >Learning about fifth-century Roman society may be instructive Like their countless famously failed attempts to police morality? From augustus imposing the lex julia for adultery only to have the law laughed at because he fucked anything that moved? To the early christian empires acting like worshipping the wrong god was treason. Moral policing is and has always been a farce at best, a vector for general oppression at worst. See: Iran women's protests. How about you penalize parents lack of parenting their children before you start moral policing other people's lives. Silly that any adult is going to get barriers put up in their way to protect and do the job of some reckless parents who shouldn't have had kids in the first place. Insane policy. Pornhub should be responsible for the content the 12 children you thoughtlessly popped out see on the internet??? Maybe pay people more and provide universal child care and reduce the gilded age inequality that requires both parents work to the bone to provide for a kid in the first place? Maybe then they wouldn't be so inclined to pawn their children off on the internet and then go around on moral crusades because they decide legislators need to parent for them while they work. [0]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/brianna-coppage-teacher-leave-missouri-onlyfans-b2425091.html# https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/brianna-co... >an additional $8,000 to $10,000 every month from her OnlyFans earnings, in addition to her $42,000 annual salary as a teacher
avidiax 3y ago
> And then there of course is the challenge of practically enforcing anything I feel at least some of the proponents of these restrictions want the challenge. This will effectively be another war against an idea, which justifies endless expansion of power and intrusion since the previous expansion and intrusion didn't resolve the problem. Right now we are at the point in the game where there is a search for the thin edge of the wedge. It's children this time, but there's always terrorism, drugs, organized crime or national security as options if that doesn't work.

tuatoru 3y ago

> traditionally suppressed adult lifestyles It's a Chesterton's Fence issue and an individual vs social harm one. Maybe, just maybe, those traditionally suppressed lifestyles were suppressed because those societies had memories of what happens when they are not suppressed. Apparently there is some meme on Tick-tock these days asking men how often they think about the Roman Empire. Quite a lot, it appears. Learning about fifth-century Roman society may be instructive. History may rhyme; it may not. What are the risks and benefits? I am old; I have no dog in this fight either way. Purely intellectual interest. > All you've done is hurt a local industry with no actual social benefit gained. No, you have re-deployed resources in more pro-social places. There is a net benefit. Shut down Only Fans, and some of the performers will find work as gardeners or hair-stylists' assistants. Some of the viewers may venture out of their basements as well.

swatcoder 3y ago
> Maybe, just maybe, those traditionally suppressed lifestyles were suppressed because those societies had memories of what happens when they are not suppressed. That would be more plausible if we saw that all mature cultures ended up with the same or similar norms. But we don't. Instead, we see a rich variety of norms across history and cultures, but also many examples of territorialism where specific cultures try to impose their idiosyncratic norms on others. And maybe there's good to be found even in that (uniformity is easier to govern), but it does run against the pluralist principles of the modern west.
mptest 3y ago
>Shut down Only Fans, and some of the performers will find work as gardeners or hair-stylists' assistants Hilarious comment if serious. Do you think women who chose to do onlyfans were making good money in whatever job they were doing before that?[0] How much money do you think gardeners make? Perhaps one of the most comically out of touch statements I've ever seen. Up there with "what could a banana cost michael, 10$?" >Learning about fifth-century Roman society may be instructive Like their countless famously failed attempts to police morality? From augustus imposing the lex julia for adultery only to have the law laughed at because he fucked anything that moved? To the early christian empires acting like worshipping the wrong god was treason. Moral policing is and has always been a farce at best, a vector for general oppression at worst. See: Iran women's protests. How about you penalize parents lack of parenting their children before you start moral policing other people's lives. Silly that any adult is going to get barriers put up in their way to protect and do the job of some reckless parents who shouldn't have had kids in the first place. Insane policy. Pornhub should be responsible for the content the 12 children you thoughtlessly popped out see on the internet??? Maybe pay people more and provide universal child care and reduce the gilded age inequality that requires both parents work to the bone to provide for a kid in the first place? Maybe then they wouldn't be so inclined to pawn their children off on the internet and then go around on moral crusades because they decide legislators need to parent for them while they work. [0]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/brianna-coppage-teacher-leave-missouri-onlyfans-b2425091.html# https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/brianna-co... >an additional $8,000 to $10,000 every month from her OnlyFans earnings, in addition to her $42,000 annual salary as a teacher

avidiax 3y ago

> And then there of course is the challenge of practically enforcing anything I feel at least some of the proponents of these restrictions want the challenge. This will effectively be another war against an idea, which justifies endless expansion of power and intrusion since the previous expansion and intrusion didn't resolve the problem. Right now we are at the point in the game where there is a search for the thin edge of the wedge. It's children this time, but there's always terrorism, drugs, organized crime or national security as options if that doesn't work.