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>had a private investigator request footage from Amazon? Not sequitur, PI's aren't police and don't have arrest or prosecution power. The concern in the articl

>had a private investigator request footage from Amazon? Not sequitur, PI's aren't police and don't have arrest or prosecution power. The concern in the article is about police. I would be against Amazon allowing just anyone to just browse Ring cameras. >That's kinda the point, right? Police and Amazon have defined their own terms for sharing footage with no accountability to the user, and they've proven they're willing to do so. Is there evidence that the police are mass surveilling people using Amazon/Ring without investigating a specific crime and/or a specific person? Please show me. If that's actually the case and not just speculation, I'm not for it. >Whoops. Misremembered, so I suppose so. I'll edit. No worries, I do that sometimes too; it wasn't in bad faith. Believe me, I think police powers need some serious checks and balances and there are many examples where they go over their legal boundaries. I also think without police, there would be rampant crime, which is just as bad. My position is to get rid of bad police and keep the good ones.

itishappy 3y ago
> Is there evidence that the police are mass surveilling people using Amazon/Ring without investigating a specific crime and/or a specific person? Please show me. If that's actually the case and not just speculation, I'm not for it. Oh, this is entirely speculation. I doubt it's happened, but I don't think there's anything in place to stop it, and I'm unwilling to believe in the infinite goodwill of Amazon and the police. This is mostly a personal thing. I don't even think Amazon and the police are doing anything particularly wrong (if it's documented), I'm just not comfortable putting a surveillance device on my home. Unfortunately for me, a lot of people are...
- Clubber 3y ago
  > I'm unwilling to believe in the infinite goodwill of Amazon and the police. Really the only thing to deter it would be the fruit of the poisonous tree metaphor. A bad cop probably wouldn't know what that is, but the prosecutor would. Fortunately it would come out in court and be public record. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree

itishappy 3y ago

> Is there evidence that the police are mass surveilling people using Amazon/Ring without investigating a specific crime and/or a specific person? Please show me. If that's actually the case and not just speculation, I'm not for it. Oh, this is entirely speculation. I doubt it's happened, but I don't think there's anything in place to stop it, and I'm unwilling to believe in the infinite goodwill of Amazon and the police. This is mostly a personal thing. I don't even think Amazon and the police are doing anything particularly wrong (if it's documented), I'm just not comfortable putting a surveillance device on my home. Unfortunately for me, a lot of people are...

Clubber 3y ago
> I'm unwilling to believe in the infinite goodwill of Amazon and the police. Really the only thing to deter it would be the fruit of the poisonous tree metaphor. A bad cop probably wouldn't know what that is, but the prosecutor would. Fortunately it would come out in court and be public record. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree