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ALSO: It's ok to criticize US for the past war, for faking evidence in UN and making up excuses to invade a country. But to critique US involvement in Ukraine

ALSO: It's ok to criticize US for the past war, for faking evidence in UN and making up excuses to invade a country. But to critique US involvement in Ukraine which is extinguishing a whole country with their forced mobilization just for the sake of drip buying US arms? That's heresy and punishable with de-platforming.

starik36 3y ago
The Russian trolls never seem to take a rest.
- redeeman 3y ago
  care to attack his argument instead?
  - ImHereToVote 3y ago
    [flagged]
  - mywittyname 3y ago
    Ukraine is fighting for their continued independent existence. They know that, if they lose, they will be the victims of genocide (as those in occupied lands have encountered).
    - ganeshkrishnan 3y ago
      Crimea, lugansk, Donetsk, mariupol is all business as usual. Ukrainians care neither about Ukraine government nor Russian government. They just want the war to end regardless of which oligarch is ruling over then.
      - _kbh_ 3y ago
        > Crimea, lugansk, Donetsk, mariupol is all business as usual. Ukrainians care neither about Ukraine government nor Russian government. They just want the war to end regardless of which oligarch is ruling over then. The fierce resistance the Ukrainians are providing would appear to indicate they very much do care about who is ruling over them.
        ganeshkrishnan 3y ago
        You didn't get my point. >Crimea, lugansk, Donetsk, mariupol is all business as usual In all these places the ukrainians are back to work. There are live webcams on the internet if you want to watch these places. >The fierce resistance the Ukrainians are providing Mostly by the extreme far right azov regiment. Which were banned from receiving any funds from US till Obama administration. Trump overturned it.
        _kbh_ 3y ago
        >. In all these places the ukrainians are back to work. There are live webcams on the internet if you want to watch these places. Yes for most, then occasionally things explode with the occupiers on board, I suspect being a mayor or high up position of an occupation government in occupied Ukraine is one of the deadliest jobs in the world at the moment. > Mostly by the extreme far right azov regiment. Which were banned from receiving any funds from US till Obama administration. Trump overturned it. The entire country and army is providing fierce resistance. But if you want to talk about far fight extremists why dont we talk about Wagner who was led, by a man with literal swastikas and other nazi imagery tattooed on him until he exploded in mid air.
        redeeman 3y ago
        could you provide a link to one of the images showing the leader of wagner with swastikas and such?
        _kbh_ 3y ago
        https://aijac.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/utkin.jpeg https://aijac.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/utkin.jpeg Is a picture of Dmitry Uktin, who founded Wagner with his Nazi tattoo's. There was lots of talk about him not being part of Wagner anymore then surprise surprise he dies in the aircraft carrying Yevgeny Prigozhin and other Wagner high ups and is later seen in videos with Yevgeny Prigozhin in Africa this year.
        redeeman 3y ago
- ganeshkrishnan 3y ago
  sure,everyone against this senseless war is a "russian troll". I am old enough to remember the rabid shrieking against Iraqi war, calling them traitors, death threats to anyone against the iraqi war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_comments_on_George_W._Bush https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_comments_on_Georg...), boycotting france because they didnt want the war (Freedom fries?) We are sleep walking into a global disaster by interfering in everyone else war. Blame russia for all the problems in the country. Makes it easier to blame someone else
  - swatcoder 3y ago
    I agree with you that blindly attacking war critics is ugly, especially for remote wars and wars of influence. At the same time, nobody was surprised that Russia and NATO disagreed over whose sphere of influence Ukraine resided in. The “Ukraine Problem” and how it would culminate was making it into popular foreign policy writing 50 years ago, and was part of diplomatic and intelligence strategies long before that. Putin is getting old and sick and made a play for his legacy, hoping NATO would be too war-anxious to act. That didn’t work out. Critics should have their voice heard because there always new questions about how to proceed, or whether past choices were well made, but that conflict was prefigured for decades and is not an “everyone else’s war”.
    - ganeshkrishnan 3y ago
      This is a war for the resources of East Ukraine and the Oil, Natgas in black sea; hence the Biden investment in Burisma. This is not an ideological war (Technically no war is!) or "sphere of influence"
- dang 3y ago
  Please don't use HN for ideological or nationalistic battle, no matter wrong others are or you feel they are. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 3y ago
Please don't use HN for ideological or nationalistic battle, no matter wrong others are or you feel they are. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

starik36 3y ago

The Russian trolls never seem to take a rest.

redeeman 3y ago
care to attack his argument instead?
- ImHereToVote 3y ago
  [flagged]
- mywittyname 3y ago
  Ukraine is fighting for their continued independent existence. They know that, if they lose, they will be the victims of genocide (as those in occupied lands have encountered).
  - ganeshkrishnan 3y ago
    Crimea, lugansk, Donetsk, mariupol is all business as usual. Ukrainians care neither about Ukraine government nor Russian government. They just want the war to end regardless of which oligarch is ruling over then.
    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      > Crimea, lugansk, Donetsk, mariupol is all business as usual. Ukrainians care neither about Ukraine government nor Russian government. They just want the war to end regardless of which oligarch is ruling over then. The fierce resistance the Ukrainians are providing would appear to indicate they very much do care about who is ruling over them.
      - ganeshkrishnan 3y ago
        You didn't get my point. >Crimea, lugansk, Donetsk, mariupol is all business as usual In all these places the ukrainians are back to work. There are live webcams on the internet if you want to watch these places. >The fierce resistance the Ukrainians are providing Mostly by the extreme far right azov regiment. Which were banned from receiving any funds from US till Obama administration. Trump overturned it.
        _kbh_ 3y ago
        >. In all these places the ukrainians are back to work. There are live webcams on the internet if you want to watch these places. Yes for most, then occasionally things explode with the occupiers on board, I suspect being a mayor or high up position of an occupation government in occupied Ukraine is one of the deadliest jobs in the world at the moment. > Mostly by the extreme far right azov regiment. Which were banned from receiving any funds from US till Obama administration. Trump overturned it. The entire country and army is providing fierce resistance. But if you want to talk about far fight extremists why dont we talk about Wagner who was led, by a man with literal swastikas and other nazi imagery tattooed on him until he exploded in mid air.
        redeeman 3y ago
        could you provide a link to one of the images showing the leader of wagner with swastikas and such?
        _kbh_ 3y ago
        https://aijac.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/utkin.jpeg https://aijac.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/utkin.jpeg Is a picture of Dmitry Uktin, who founded Wagner with his Nazi tattoo's. There was lots of talk about him not being part of Wagner anymore then surprise surprise he dies in the aircraft carrying Yevgeny Prigozhin and other Wagner high ups and is later seen in videos with Yevgeny Prigozhin in Africa this year.
      - redeeman 3y ago
ganeshkrishnan 3y ago
sure,everyone against this senseless war is a "russian troll". I am old enough to remember the rabid shrieking against Iraqi war, calling them traitors, death threats to anyone against the iraqi war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_comments_on_George_W._Bush https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_comments_on_Georg...), boycotting france because they didnt want the war (Freedom fries?) We are sleep walking into a global disaster by interfering in everyone else war. Blame russia for all the problems in the country. Makes it easier to blame someone else
- swatcoder 3y ago
  I agree with you that blindly attacking war critics is ugly, especially for remote wars and wars of influence. At the same time, nobody was surprised that Russia and NATO disagreed over whose sphere of influence Ukraine resided in. The “Ukraine Problem” and how it would culminate was making it into popular foreign policy writing 50 years ago, and was part of diplomatic and intelligence strategies long before that. Putin is getting old and sick and made a play for his legacy, hoping NATO would be too war-anxious to act. That didn’t work out. Critics should have their voice heard because there always new questions about how to proceed, or whether past choices were well made, but that conflict was prefigured for decades and is not an “everyone else’s war”.
  - ganeshkrishnan 3y ago
    This is a war for the resources of East Ukraine and the Oil, Natgas in black sea; hence the Biden investment in Burisma. This is not an ideological war (Technically no war is!) or "sphere of influence"
dang 3y ago
Please don't use HN for ideological or nationalistic battle, no matter wrong others are or you feel they are. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dang 3y ago

Please don't use HN for ideological or nationalistic battle, no matter wrong others are or you feel they are. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html