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Tesla Engineering has their shit together, Elon is very detached from their work. Comparing Tesla to Twitter is not reasonable

LambdaComplex 3y ago
> Tesla Engineering has their shit together The pictures I've seen of panel gaps on their cars say otherwise
- meragrin_ 3y ago
  I doubt engineering is intimately involved in the day to day production.
  - testfrequency 3y ago
    Should have known all the Tesla masters would dogpile on me defending their SOFTWARE ENGINEERING team. I’m in no way talking about their manufacturing and assembly teams, strictly software. Everyone is so hostile towards Tesla, settle down. There’s a ton of ex-meta, apple, uber swe’s at Tesla, they are not some unskilled and unprofessional engineers. I really miss the old HN community, all anyone does here now is complain and disagree
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  https://www.autoevolution.com/news/rivian-r1s-and-r1t-present-weird-panel-gaps-and-quality-control-issues-206559.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/rivian-r1s-and-r1t-presen... https://insideevs.com/news/405366/porsche-taycan-panel-gap-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/405366/porsche-taycan-panel-gap-v... https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/minor-gap-between-dash-and-gauge-cluster-trim.13607/ https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/minor-gap-b... Which new EV isn’t having issues with Panel gaps?
florbo 3y ago
My own anecdotal contribution, based off the constant bickering of people I know who work for engineering firms that have Tesla as a client, is that they do not have any of their shit organized in a manner which could be remotely described as "together".
- LeifCarrotson 3y ago
  There are many words I could use to describe my limited interactions with Tesla manufacturing, but "together" is not one of them. After being harried to hurry up and build something exactly to the 34th revision of their ever-changing specs (the inside of the electrical panel was powder-coated the wrong manufacturer-original color and therefore unacceptable, and on and on...) and warned about the severe penalties for late delivery and downtime, we got it all finished only to find that they weren't actually ready for it yet. The production floor where it was supposed to go has no room, they haven't gotten permits to even start to pour concrete where it's going to go later... The one good thing I can say is that at least they paid on time, even though they didn't take delivery yet - better than a lot of "net 30...months" OEMs out there.
  - mensetmanusman 3y ago
    It seems like they are performing as expected for a fast moving organization.
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    30 months?! I'm so glad I don't have to deal with suppliers directly.
    - LeifCarrotson 3y ago
      That may have been a slight exaggeration. But slow payment is pretty common; we're not particularly bottlenecked by cash flow (rather by engineering) but it's just annoying. "Tricks" in B2B like 1%/10 net 30 only go so far, the norm is that the more powerful companies take advantage of less powerful ones, even when those less powerful tier-1-2-3 suppliers build the equipment and parts that keep their business functional. I guess I don't know why I ever expected anything different.
12_throw_away 3y ago
Their shit is apart, and it's rather unbecoming of a tech company and a car manufacturer. It's supposed to be the opposite of that.

LambdaComplex 3y ago

> Tesla Engineering has their shit together The pictures I've seen of panel gaps on their cars say otherwise

meragrin_ 3y ago
I doubt engineering is intimately involved in the day to day production.
- testfrequency 3y ago
  Should have known all the Tesla masters would dogpile on me defending their SOFTWARE ENGINEERING team. I’m in no way talking about their manufacturing and assembly teams, strictly software. Everyone is so hostile towards Tesla, settle down. There’s a ton of ex-meta, apple, uber swe’s at Tesla, they are not some unskilled and unprofessional engineers. I really miss the old HN community, all anyone does here now is complain and disagree
mensetmanusman 3y ago
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/rivian-r1s-and-r1t-present-weird-panel-gaps-and-quality-control-issues-206559.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/rivian-r1s-and-r1t-presen... https://insideevs.com/news/405366/porsche-taycan-panel-gap-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/405366/porsche-taycan-panel-gap-v... https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/minor-gap-between-dash-and-gauge-cluster-trim.13607/ https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/minor-gap-b... Which new EV isn’t having issues with Panel gaps?

florbo 3y ago

My own anecdotal contribution, based off the constant bickering of people I know who work for engineering firms that have Tesla as a client, is that they do not have any of their shit organized in a manner which could be remotely described as "together".

LeifCarrotson 3y ago
There are many words I could use to describe my limited interactions with Tesla manufacturing, but "together" is not one of them. After being harried to hurry up and build something exactly to the 34th revision of their ever-changing specs (the inside of the electrical panel was powder-coated the wrong manufacturer-original color and therefore unacceptable, and on and on...) and warned about the severe penalties for late delivery and downtime, we got it all finished only to find that they weren't actually ready for it yet. The production floor where it was supposed to go has no room, they haven't gotten permits to even start to pour concrete where it's going to go later... The one good thing I can say is that at least they paid on time, even though they didn't take delivery yet - better than a lot of "net 30...months" OEMs out there.
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  It seems like they are performing as expected for a fast moving organization.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  30 months?! I'm so glad I don't have to deal with suppliers directly.
  - LeifCarrotson 3y ago
    That may have been a slight exaggeration. But slow payment is pretty common; we're not particularly bottlenecked by cash flow (rather by engineering) but it's just annoying. "Tricks" in B2B like 1%/10 net 30 only go so far, the norm is that the more powerful companies take advantage of less powerful ones, even when those less powerful tier-1-2-3 suppliers build the equipment and parts that keep their business functional. I guess I don't know why I ever expected anything different.

12_throw_away 3y ago

Their shit is apart, and it's rather unbecoming of a tech company and a car manufacturer. It's supposed to be the opposite of that.