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Given the state of the Twitter API post-Elon, I'd be incredibly unlikely to rely on this unless I have a business contract directly with Tesla with appropriate

by sulam 3y ago

Given the state of the Twitter API post-Elon, I'd be incredibly unlikely to rely on this unless I have a business contract directly with Tesla with appropriate penalties if my app / access were to be revoked.

testfrequency 3y ago
Tesla Engineering has their shit together, Elon is very detached from their work. Comparing Tesla to Twitter is not reasonable
- LambdaComplex 3y ago
  > Tesla Engineering has their shit together The pictures I've seen of panel gaps on their cars say otherwise
  - meragrin_ 3y ago
    I doubt engineering is intimately involved in the day to day production.
    - testfrequency 3y ago
      Should have known all the Tesla masters would dogpile on me defending their SOFTWARE ENGINEERING team. I’m in no way talking about their manufacturing and assembly teams, strictly software. Everyone is so hostile towards Tesla, settle down. There’s a ton of ex-meta, apple, uber swe’s at Tesla, they are not some unskilled and unprofessional engineers. I really miss the old HN community, all anyone does here now is complain and disagree
  - mensetmanusman 3y ago
    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/rivian-r1s-and-r1t-present-weird-panel-gaps-and-quality-control-issues-206559.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/rivian-r1s-and-r1t-presen... https://insideevs.com/news/405366/porsche-taycan-panel-gap-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/405366/porsche-taycan-panel-gap-v... https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/minor-gap-between-dash-and-gauge-cluster-trim.13607/ https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/minor-gap-b... Which new EV isn’t having issues with Panel gaps?
- florbo 3y ago
  My own anecdotal contribution, based off the constant bickering of people I know who work for engineering firms that have Tesla as a client, is that they do not have any of their shit organized in a manner which could be remotely described as "together".
  - LeifCarrotson 3y ago
    There are many words I could use to describe my limited interactions with Tesla manufacturing, but "together" is not one of them. After being harried to hurry up and build something exactly to the 34th revision of their ever-changing specs (the inside of the electrical panel was powder-coated the wrong manufacturer-original color and therefore unacceptable, and on and on...) and warned about the severe penalties for late delivery and downtime, we got it all finished only to find that they weren't actually ready for it yet. The production floor where it was supposed to go has no room, they haven't gotten permits to even start to pour concrete where it's going to go later... The one good thing I can say is that at least they paid on time, even though they didn't take delivery yet - better than a lot of "net 30...months" OEMs out there.
    - mensetmanusman 3y ago
      It seems like they are performing as expected for a fast moving organization.
    - mardifoufs 3y ago
      30 months?! I'm so glad I don't have to deal with suppliers directly.
      - LeifCarrotson 3y ago
        That may have been a slight exaggeration. But slow payment is pretty common; we're not particularly bottlenecked by cash flow (rather by engineering) but it's just annoying. "Tricks" in B2B like 1%/10 net 30 only go so far, the norm is that the more powerful companies take advantage of less powerful ones, even when those less powerful tier-1-2-3 suppliers build the equipment and parts that keep their business functional. I guess I don't know why I ever expected anything different.
- 12_throw_away 3y ago
  Their shit is apart, and it's rather unbecoming of a tech company and a car manufacturer. It's supposed to be the opposite of that.
billfor 3y ago
It's funny the Elon haters downvote the person saying that the Tesla development is solid yet the parent gets no downvotes and has nothing to prove their statement other than referencing something about Twitter. They are separate companies and APIs. The API used by the Tesla phone app can be used unofficially. I've used it for 5 years, every day. It has been completely reliable for the 5 years I've owned my Tesla.
- sulam 3y ago
  What’s to “prove”? I don’t have to prove that Twitter turned off its API after Elon bought the company, that’s a fact. I also don’t have to prove he had something to do with it, it was well-reported at the time (admittedly that isn’t quite the same level of fact, but he clearly had the influence necessary and if he didn’t agree with it he could have stopped it from happening). I believe I don’t have to prove that if Elon said Tesla should shut off its API because he didn’t like something someone built, that it would happen. He is the CEO after all. He’s clearly one of the most impetuous CEOs in the tech industry. If you think that won’t affect people’s decision to partner with the companies he runs, well, you don’t have enough experience with these sorts of deals.
moralestapia 3y ago
Cool. There's probably 10,000s of devs who think otherwise, tho.
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stronglikedan 3y ago
Twitter is more alive, vibrant and honest than ever, so this seems like a strange comparison.
- sulam 3y ago
  It’s also losing more money than it has since it went public. And it turned off its API because Elon didn’t like it. The latter is what makes it a reasonable comparison.
rurp 3y ago
Elon isn't exactly known for honoring valid business contracts.
- sulam 3y ago
  So far he’s not proven immune to court proceedings, tho.

by sulam 3y ago

testfrequency 3y ago

Tesla Engineering has their shit together, Elon is very detached from their work. Comparing Tesla to Twitter is not reasonable

LambdaComplex 3y ago
> Tesla Engineering has their shit together The pictures I've seen of panel gaps on their cars say otherwise
- meragrin_ 3y ago
  I doubt engineering is intimately involved in the day to day production.
  - testfrequency 3y ago
    Should have known all the Tesla masters would dogpile on me defending their SOFTWARE ENGINEERING team. I’m in no way talking about their manufacturing and assembly teams, strictly software. Everyone is so hostile towards Tesla, settle down. There’s a ton of ex-meta, apple, uber swe’s at Tesla, they are not some unskilled and unprofessional engineers. I really miss the old HN community, all anyone does here now is complain and disagree
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  https://www.autoevolution.com/news/rivian-r1s-and-r1t-present-weird-panel-gaps-and-quality-control-issues-206559.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/rivian-r1s-and-r1t-presen... https://insideevs.com/news/405366/porsche-taycan-panel-gap-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/405366/porsche-taycan-panel-gap-v... https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/minor-gap-between-dash-and-gauge-cluster-trim.13607/ https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/minor-gap-b... Which new EV isn’t having issues with Panel gaps?
florbo 3y ago
My own anecdotal contribution, based off the constant bickering of people I know who work for engineering firms that have Tesla as a client, is that they do not have any of their shit organized in a manner which could be remotely described as "together".
- LeifCarrotson 3y ago
  There are many words I could use to describe my limited interactions with Tesla manufacturing, but "together" is not one of them. After being harried to hurry up and build something exactly to the 34th revision of their ever-changing specs (the inside of the electrical panel was powder-coated the wrong manufacturer-original color and therefore unacceptable, and on and on...) and warned about the severe penalties for late delivery and downtime, we got it all finished only to find that they weren't actually ready for it yet. The production floor where it was supposed to go has no room, they haven't gotten permits to even start to pour concrete where it's going to go later... The one good thing I can say is that at least they paid on time, even though they didn't take delivery yet - better than a lot of "net 30...months" OEMs out there.
  - mensetmanusman 3y ago
    It seems like they are performing as expected for a fast moving organization.
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    30 months?! I'm so glad I don't have to deal with suppliers directly.
    - LeifCarrotson 3y ago
      That may have been a slight exaggeration. But slow payment is pretty common; we're not particularly bottlenecked by cash flow (rather by engineering) but it's just annoying. "Tricks" in B2B like 1%/10 net 30 only go so far, the norm is that the more powerful companies take advantage of less powerful ones, even when those less powerful tier-1-2-3 suppliers build the equipment and parts that keep their business functional. I guess I don't know why I ever expected anything different.
12_throw_away 3y ago
Their shit is apart, and it's rather unbecoming of a tech company and a car manufacturer. It's supposed to be the opposite of that.

billfor 3y ago

It's funny the Elon haters downvote the person saying that the Tesla development is solid yet the parent gets no downvotes and has nothing to prove their statement other than referencing something about Twitter. They are separate companies and APIs. The API used by the Tesla phone app can be used unofficially. I've used it for 5 years, every day. It has been completely reliable for the 5 years I've owned my Tesla.

sulam 3y ago
What’s to “prove”? I don’t have to prove that Twitter turned off its API after Elon bought the company, that’s a fact. I also don’t have to prove he had something to do with it, it was well-reported at the time (admittedly that isn’t quite the same level of fact, but he clearly had the influence necessary and if he didn’t agree with it he could have stopped it from happening). I believe I don’t have to prove that if Elon said Tesla should shut off its API because he didn’t like something someone built, that it would happen. He is the CEO after all. He’s clearly one of the most impetuous CEOs in the tech industry. If you think that won’t affect people’s decision to partner with the companies he runs, well, you don’t have enough experience with these sorts of deals.

moralestapia 3y ago

Cool. There's probably 10,000s of devs who think otherwise, tho.

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stronglikedan 3y ago

Twitter is more alive, vibrant and honest than ever, so this seems like a strange comparison.

sulam 3y ago
It’s also losing more money than it has since it went public. And it turned off its API because Elon didn’t like it. The latter is what makes it a reasonable comparison.

rurp 3y ago

Elon isn't exactly known for honoring valid business contracts.

sulam 3y ago
So far he’s not proven immune to court proceedings, tho.