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Why does everything need to be about 'sales'? There is an emphasis on 'joy', it can be just about having fun.

comewoyhmexj 3y ago
If you want substitute in 'joy' for 'sales'. Its a figure of speech. What is the joys pitch of this language? It looks like a beginner friendly version of Java. Im all for the idea of optimising for developers fun and joy but im not picking up the sales pitch either
- nonameiguess 3y ago
  It doesn't appear to have been submitted by the language writer and the website itself doesn't say it exists to bring you joy. It says "may you experience the joy of programming." Whoever wrote that is seemingly trying to be nice and say something similar to when a person on the street wishes you a good day. They're not trying to say you should be having a good day because their very existence is good for you. This is a hobby language that someone made in his spare time and he gave it a website to share it. I don't see a sales pitch at all. It's more like someone sharing pictures of a hand-carved pieced of furniture they made themselves. The point isn't to say everyone else should be using it and it's better than other furniture. It's just hey, I made this, take a look if you're interested.
  - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
    OK. That puts some context. It isn't like there is some fancy new interface or paradigm to the language. It is using "Joy" as in "Joy to all", "be joyful", "Have a nice Day". Think the title of the post was maybe misleading that way.
Vaslo 3y ago
Everything you do and want people to use requires a conversion about features and benefits. This is no different. While there may be no money exchanged here, you need to sell me on why this is any than any other language. Looks like the same overlogic mess as most of the others.
- colesantiago 3y ago
  It doesn't need to sell you anything and it's not the intention of the author, they didn't even post the project on HN.
  - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
    Yes. Think this was all miss-understanding. The author didn't submit. And, the title was misleading.
FrustratedMonky 3y ago
Ok. So Not "Sales". Then the 'Reason', the 'point'. It is branded as "joy", this language does something different to make it 'Joyful". At first glance it looks like any other common language. So all I'm asking is - what is different. What is the change that someone can point at and say 'this solves some problem that makes it joyful'???
- user8501 3y ago
  I think for many people, there’s an increasing feeling of dread that comes from using “modern” tools. There’s a heaviness to them that is difficult to put into words. And I think anyone who shares this sentiment feels joy when a tool feels light and airy and totally under their control.

If you want substitute in 'joy' for 'sales'. Its a figure of speech. What is the joys pitch of this language? It looks like a beginner friendly version of Java. Im all for the idea of optimising for developers fun and joy but im not picking up the sales pitch either

nonameiguess 3y ago
It doesn't appear to have been submitted by the language writer and the website itself doesn't say it exists to bring you joy. It says "may you experience the joy of programming." Whoever wrote that is seemingly trying to be nice and say something similar to when a person on the street wishes you a good day. They're not trying to say you should be having a good day because their very existence is good for you. This is a hobby language that someone made in his spare time and he gave it a website to share it. I don't see a sales pitch at all. It's more like someone sharing pictures of a hand-carved pieced of furniture they made themselves. The point isn't to say everyone else should be using it and it's better than other furniture. It's just hey, I made this, take a look if you're interested.
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  OK. That puts some context. It isn't like there is some fancy new interface or paradigm to the language. It is using "Joy" as in "Joy to all", "be joyful", "Have a nice Day". Think the title of the post was maybe misleading that way.

Vaslo 3y ago

Everything you do and want people to use requires a conversion about features and benefits. This is no different. While there may be no money exchanged here, you need to sell me on why this is any than any other language. Looks like the same overlogic mess as most of the others.

colesantiago 3y ago
It doesn't need to sell you anything and it's not the intention of the author, they didn't even post the project on HN.
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  Yes. Think this was all miss-understanding. The author didn't submit. And, the title was misleading.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago

Ok. So Not "Sales". Then the 'Reason', the 'point'. It is branded as "joy", this language does something different to make it 'Joyful". At first glance it looks like any other common language. So all I'm asking is - what is different. What is the change that someone can point at and say 'this solves some problem that makes it joyful'???

user8501 3y ago
I think for many people, there’s an increasing feeling of dread that comes from using “modern” tools. There’s a heaviness to them that is difficult to put into words. And I think anyone who shares this sentiment feels joy when a tool feels light and airy and totally under their control.