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> Phone and tablet usage has outpaced regular computer usage for quite some time, and that informs users interaction style. "Informs"?!? Deforms! WTF does pho

> Phone and tablet usage has outpaced regular computer usage for quite some time, and that informs users interaction style. "Informs"?!? Deforms! WTF does phone usage have to do with sabotaging the UI on a computer???

JohnFen 3y ago
Because designers and devs don't want to have to do multiple designs. Everyone's aiming for one design that works for everything. The problem is that such a thing is impossible.
- chefandy 3y ago
  Vollying back your flipness-- This sort of reductive assumption about software design is why companies that need people who aren't developers to actually use their products hire interface designers.
  - deprecative 3y ago
    Most employers I've had are all about getting engineers to be everything. Designers, infrastructure, QA, UI/UX, and even product/project managers.. everything.
    - chefandy 3y ago
      Sounds like you need new employers. The only people who want that are shortsighted managers who don't care that they know nothing about users' needs, and that's certainly not a universal disposition in the software business.
      - deprecative 3y ago
        This has been true of every employer I have ever had. It's true outside of "tech" as well but nearly all of my experience has been as a software engineer.
        chefandy 3y ago
        I've worked in the software business for the better part of 25 years and my experience differs.
yowlingcat 3y ago
People are generationally creatures of habit. Newer generations are entering the workforce for whom their first personal computing device was a touchscreen smartphone. With that context in mind, it's not surprising that a "native" responsive experience to them will be mobile centric rather than desktop centric. The market then evolves to cater to the needs of its largest cohorts.
- chefandy 3y ago
  Yes. To engineers, the interface is something you use to interact with software. To users, the interface is the software. When they buy (with money or creepy analytics for marketers) software, they're buying an interface. As anybody in business knows, you're not in the business you think you're in, you're in the business your customers think you're in, and if they expect software to behave in a way it can't, their competitor is a half-inch down the app store results/google listing/etc.
chefandy 3y ago
Controls? Regardless of whether or not you like the changes, device usage changes the way people use other devices. What you deem "correct" is not the objective universal truth you think it is. Not knowing that is why almost all FOSS interfaces are an absolute dumpster fire.

JohnFen 3y ago

Because designers and devs don't want to have to do multiple designs. Everyone's aiming for one design that works for everything. The problem is that such a thing is impossible.

chefandy 3y ago
Vollying back your flipness-- This sort of reductive assumption about software design is why companies that need people who aren't developers to actually use their products hire interface designers.
- deprecative 3y ago
  Most employers I've had are all about getting engineers to be everything. Designers, infrastructure, QA, UI/UX, and even product/project managers.. everything.
  - chefandy 3y ago
    Sounds like you need new employers. The only people who want that are shortsighted managers who don't care that they know nothing about users' needs, and that's certainly not a universal disposition in the software business.
    - deprecative 3y ago
      This has been true of every employer I have ever had. It's true outside of "tech" as well but nearly all of my experience has been as a software engineer.
      - chefandy 3y ago
        I've worked in the software business for the better part of 25 years and my experience differs.

yowlingcat 3y ago

People are generationally creatures of habit. Newer generations are entering the workforce for whom their first personal computing device was a touchscreen smartphone. With that context in mind, it's not surprising that a "native" responsive experience to them will be mobile centric rather than desktop centric. The market then evolves to cater to the needs of its largest cohorts.

chefandy 3y ago
Yes. To engineers, the interface is something you use to interact with software. To users, the interface is the software. When they buy (with money or creepy analytics for marketers) software, they're buying an interface. As anybody in business knows, you're not in the business you think you're in, you're in the business your customers think you're in, and if they expect software to behave in a way it can't, their competitor is a half-inch down the app store results/google listing/etc.

chefandy 3y ago

Controls? Regardless of whether or not you like the changes, device usage changes the way people use other devices. What you deem "correct" is not the objective universal truth you think it is. Not knowing that is why almost all FOSS interfaces are an absolute dumpster fire.