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That's hardly on their "gaming space", like OP said.

pjmlp 3y ago
I disagree, in any case, publishing deals offering money to studios for them not to publish on XBox like came up on the trials.
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  > I disagree Have you played many games on PSLinux? > in any case, publishing deals offering money to studios for them not to publish on XBox like came up on the trials. If you suggest that buying exclusives is a bad thing, then you should agree that buying large independent studios is, too.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    As owner of a PS2 Linux, I have, from those indie folks you might have heard of, shared via the PS2Linux SCEE forums. PS2Linux was the successor of Yaroze. Exclusives are great for studios. The bad practice is placing bad behaviours on the contract fine print like not allowing for feature parity after the exclusivity deal runs out, or suffering the risk of a lawsuit.
    - manuelabeledo 3y ago
      > The bad practice is placing bad behaviours on the contract fine print like not allowing for feature parity after the exclusivity deal runs out, or suffering the risk of a lawsuit. Are you suggesting that e.g. Square-Enix executives didn't know what they were signing? They signed away exclusives in exchange for money. How is that worse than acquiring big studios with large IP portfolios and lock them to your own platforms?
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        It is a nice business you have here, it would be a shame if something happened to it...
        manuelabeledo 3y ago
        You make it sound like the poor gaming studios didn't read the contract documents and got trapped in a draconian nightmare. That's a naive take if I have ever seen one.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        Indeed, likewise no one should say the same about OEMs doing deals with Microsoft about pre-installed Windows, or researchers with NVidia. Those mean companies.
        manuelabeledo 3y ago
        You are comparing a 70%-30% market share split in consoles, to a virtually 100% for Microsoft in OEM PC sales, and a >85% for Nvidia in AI and research oriented GPUs [0] Microsoft also controls ~95% of the PC gaming market, which makes up ~40% of the total video game market [1]. So remind me again, which studios were bullied by Sony to give up access to the majority of the market, in exchange for nothing? [0] https://www.reuters.com/technology/amd-likely-offer-details-ai-chip-challenge-nvidia-2023-06-13/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/amd-likely-offer-details-... [1] https://www.gamesindustry.biz/report-pc-and-console-global-gaming-dipped-to-923bn-in-2022#:~:text=Regarding%20the%20market%20breakdown%20by,2.5%25%20of%20global%20game%20spending https://www.gamesindustry.biz/report-pc-and-console-global-g....
        pjmlp 3y ago
        Moving goalposts. First they are to blame, then they are poor fellows without an option.
        manuelabeledo 3y ago
jayd16 3y ago
They made it pretty impossible to use so it's not fair to say it wasn't in a consumer space.
w0m 3y ago
still pissed me off when i had the option of losing online gaming or losing console access to my ps3.
- nebula8804 3y ago
  What were you going to do on that thing anyway? Run a Mandelbrot set? The thing has like no ram! Its just an embedded device to run games.
  - jonhohle 3y ago
    Justifying the removal because of its limitations isn’t fair. It was an advertised feature of the system. If I bought a PS3 to use as a Linux desktop, online multiplayer game machine, and SACD player based on their advertisement and then found I had to get rid of the first two to keep online gaming, on a $600 console, I’d be pretty upset.
  - aleph_minus_one 3y ago
    At that time (before GPGPU become big for such purposes) scientists used PS3s to build cheap (much cheaper than IBM's server offerings containing a Cell processors) computing cluster for HPC. These PS3 computation clusters are were hard to program, but if you managed it, they were really fast (for their time).
    - nebula8804 3y ago
      Yeah I hear ya. Think the air force also used it. Lets put aside the fact that Sony was probably unhappy that their loss leader console was being used in this manner(they did release the feature so maybe they could justify the PR bonus of supporting our troops or something). All these researchers probably had no need to upgrade their firmware once they got set up since (correct me if im wrong) no firmware update actually improved the OtherOS functionality in any way so they lost nothing when a new firmware took it away. Only people really complaining about it were using it as a games (or piracy) machine and a Linux box to do...something?

I disagree, in any case, publishing deals offering money to studios for them not to publish on XBox like came up on the trials.

manuelabeledo 3y ago
> I disagree Have you played many games on PSLinux? > in any case, publishing deals offering money to studios for them not to publish on XBox like came up on the trials. If you suggest that buying exclusives is a bad thing, then you should agree that buying large independent studios is, too.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  As owner of a PS2 Linux, I have, from those indie folks you might have heard of, shared via the PS2Linux SCEE forums. PS2Linux was the successor of Yaroze. Exclusives are great for studios. The bad practice is placing bad behaviours on the contract fine print like not allowing for feature parity after the exclusivity deal runs out, or suffering the risk of a lawsuit.
  - manuelabeledo 3y ago
    > The bad practice is placing bad behaviours on the contract fine print like not allowing for feature parity after the exclusivity deal runs out, or suffering the risk of a lawsuit. Are you suggesting that e.g. Square-Enix executives didn't know what they were signing? They signed away exclusives in exchange for money. How is that worse than acquiring big studios with large IP portfolios and lock them to your own platforms?
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      It is a nice business you have here, it would be a shame if something happened to it...
      - manuelabeledo 3y ago
        You make it sound like the poor gaming studios didn't read the contract documents and got trapped in a draconian nightmare. That's a naive take if I have ever seen one.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        Indeed, likewise no one should say the same about OEMs doing deals with Microsoft about pre-installed Windows, or researchers with NVidia. Those mean companies.
        manuelabeledo 3y ago
        You are comparing a 70%-30% market share split in consoles, to a virtually 100% for Microsoft in OEM PC sales, and a >85% for Nvidia in AI and research oriented GPUs [0] Microsoft also controls ~95% of the PC gaming market, which makes up ~40% of the total video game market [1]. So remind me again, which studios were bullied by Sony to give up access to the majority of the market, in exchange for nothing? [0] https://www.reuters.com/technology/amd-likely-offer-details-ai-chip-challenge-nvidia-2023-06-13/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/amd-likely-offer-details-... [1] https://www.gamesindustry.biz/report-pc-and-console-global-gaming-dipped-to-923bn-in-2022#:~:text=Regarding%20the%20market%20breakdown%20by,2.5%25%20of%20global%20game%20spending https://www.gamesindustry.biz/report-pc-and-console-global-g....
        pjmlp 3y ago
        Moving goalposts. First they are to blame, then they are poor fellows without an option.
        manuelabeledo 3y ago

jayd16 3y ago

They made it pretty impossible to use so it's not fair to say it wasn't in a consumer space.

w0m 3y ago

still pissed me off when i had the option of losing online gaming or losing console access to my ps3.

nebula8804 3y ago
What were you going to do on that thing anyway? Run a Mandelbrot set? The thing has like no ram! Its just an embedded device to run games.
- jonhohle 3y ago
  Justifying the removal because of its limitations isn’t fair. It was an advertised feature of the system. If I bought a PS3 to use as a Linux desktop, online multiplayer game machine, and SACD player based on their advertisement and then found I had to get rid of the first two to keep online gaming, on a $600 console, I’d be pretty upset.
- aleph_minus_one 3y ago
  At that time (before GPGPU become big for such purposes) scientists used PS3s to build cheap (much cheaper than IBM's server offerings containing a Cell processors) computing cluster for HPC. These PS3 computation clusters are were hard to program, but if you managed it, they were really fast (for their time).
  - nebula8804 3y ago
    Yeah I hear ya. Think the air force also used it. Lets put aside the fact that Sony was probably unhappy that their loss leader console was being used in this manner(they did release the feature so maybe they could justify the PR bonus of supporting our troops or something). All these researchers probably had no need to upgrade their firmware once they got set up since (correct me if im wrong) no firmware update actually improved the OtherOS functionality in any way so they lost nothing when a new firmware took it away. Only people really complaining about it were using it as a games (or piracy) machine and a Linux box to do...something?