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Yes, but that works both ways. My website works the way I code it to work, and if that means I detect adblockers and display a different page to you if you're r

Yes, but that works both ways. My website works the way I code it to work, and if that means I detect adblockers and display a different page to you if you're running one then that's the website you visited and you have no recourse other than to accept that's how I want it to work. You can't have things both ways. You have to accept that the cost of seeing content is to see ads. You should have no expectation that you can block ads and see content.

maxerickson 3y ago
Or you know, try to evade the detection. Like you can say that is unethical or immoral or whatever, but it is certainly a form of recourse.
genocidicbunny 3y ago
I agree, but that leads further to the argument that I then have the right to modify the code that is running on my machine as I wish, which includes removing protections you put in place to make it not work when I do something you don't like. The cat-and-mouse game continues...
- henriquez 3y ago
  It’s an impasse not a cat-and-mouse game. Sure you have the right to modify any code that Google’s server serves to your machine, but if Google’s server decides to not serve you videos, for any reason, then that’s where your game ends. It’s likely that there are server side checks for a whole tangled mess of client cookies and XHR pings across a hundred different subdomains, and you’re not going to trick them into thinking you’re watching ads when you aren’t.
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    > and you’re not going to trick them into thinking you’re watching ads when you aren’t. Trivial. https://adnauseam.io/ https://adnauseam.io/
  - genocidicbunny 3y ago
    No, it is a cat-and-mouse game, because I could start doing things like detecting the ad frames and blacking them out in the compositor. What if my browser had a plugin that did that? Think SponsorBlock that talks with the browser's rendering engine. As far as youtube could tell (unless they record my screen and process it to detect that I'm viewing an ad...but that would be a bridge too far for a lot of people I think) the ad is playing, but I'm not viewing. Audio can get similar processing.
    - henriquez 3y ago
      Oh, true. Then you’re not really blocking ads, you’re sending them to the shadow realm!
nottorp 3y ago
Except for some reason Google wants to show me Two ads every 10 minutes, to the point Ive given up on YouTube on devices without an ad blocker. Cable tv is much nicer. (Although they’re under local jurisdiction which may have something to do with it.) I wonder if Googles idea of ads is even legal here…
- tuetuopay 3y ago
  Every 10 minutes? I envy you, I get them every 5 minutes.
- mkoryak 3y ago
  No one is stopping you from watching cable TV instead of complaining about YouTube
  - xigoi 3y ago
    Most video creators choose to upload only to YouTube.
  - nottorp 3y ago
    I generally watch neither :) Not into talking heads, if it’s worth saying it’s worth putting it in writing. I used to use YouTube for music occasionally, now I’m a Spotify subscriber.
kibwen 3y ago
If your site wants to block me, that's fine, you have that right. What I object to is the notion that I should feel any sort of moral guilt for viewing a website however I choose to. Your site is a newspaper that is delivered to my house; you have the right to charge for it, and you have the right to put ads in it, but once it is in my hands it is mine, and I will cut it up with scissors or scribble mustaches on all the photographs to my heart's delight.
- hmry 3y ago
  If you cut the ads out of the newspaper, the publisher still gets paid. If you block ads on YouTube, they don't (but still need to pay for the bandwidth to deliver you the video).
  - the_snooze 3y ago
    That's a problem with YouTube's business model then. If a business wants to make money, then charge for it, just as businesses have done for thousands of years. Don't tiptoe around the issue and hide prices by presenting it as "free" and get mad when people take that literally. YouTube can very well be Premium-only and they'll see how much their service is actually worth to people.
Probiotic6081 3y ago
they could monetize differently, without ads. let creators monetize it like patreon tiers and let users make proportional donations to their favourite creators through a flattr-like system. take the ads out and a place like youtube only need like 5 guys to run.

maxerickson 3y ago

Or you know, try to evade the detection. Like you can say that is unethical or immoral or whatever, but it is certainly a form of recourse.

genocidicbunny 3y ago

I agree, but that leads further to the argument that I then have the right to modify the code that is running on my machine as I wish, which includes removing protections you put in place to make it not work when I do something you don't like. The cat-and-mouse game continues...

henriquez 3y ago
It’s an impasse not a cat-and-mouse game. Sure you have the right to modify any code that Google’s server serves to your machine, but if Google’s server decides to not serve you videos, for any reason, then that’s where your game ends. It’s likely that there are server side checks for a whole tangled mess of client cookies and XHR pings across a hundred different subdomains, and you’re not going to trick them into thinking you’re watching ads when you aren’t.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  > and you’re not going to trick them into thinking you’re watching ads when you aren’t. Trivial. https://adnauseam.io/ https://adnauseam.io/
- genocidicbunny 3y ago
  No, it is a cat-and-mouse game, because I could start doing things like detecting the ad frames and blacking them out in the compositor. What if my browser had a plugin that did that? Think SponsorBlock that talks with the browser's rendering engine. As far as youtube could tell (unless they record my screen and process it to detect that I'm viewing an ad...but that would be a bridge too far for a lot of people I think) the ad is playing, but I'm not viewing. Audio can get similar processing.
  - henriquez 3y ago
    Oh, true. Then you’re not really blocking ads, you’re sending them to the shadow realm!

nottorp 3y ago

Except for some reason Google wants to show me Two ads every 10 minutes, to the point Ive given up on YouTube on devices without an ad blocker. Cable tv is much nicer. (Although they’re under local jurisdiction which may have something to do with it.) I wonder if Googles idea of ads is even legal here…

tuetuopay 3y ago
Every 10 minutes? I envy you, I get them every 5 minutes.
mkoryak 3y ago
No one is stopping you from watching cable TV instead of complaining about YouTube
- xigoi 3y ago
  Most video creators choose to upload only to YouTube.
- nottorp 3y ago
  I generally watch neither :) Not into talking heads, if it’s worth saying it’s worth putting it in writing. I used to use YouTube for music occasionally, now I’m a Spotify subscriber.

kibwen 3y ago

If your site wants to block me, that's fine, you have that right. What I object to is the notion that I should feel any sort of moral guilt for viewing a website however I choose to. Your site is a newspaper that is delivered to my house; you have the right to charge for it, and you have the right to put ads in it, but once it is in my hands it is mine, and I will cut it up with scissors or scribble mustaches on all the photographs to my heart's delight.

hmry 3y ago
If you cut the ads out of the newspaper, the publisher still gets paid. If you block ads on YouTube, they don't (but still need to pay for the bandwidth to deliver you the video).
- the_snooze 3y ago
  That's a problem with YouTube's business model then. If a business wants to make money, then charge for it, just as businesses have done for thousands of years. Don't tiptoe around the issue and hide prices by presenting it as "free" and get mad when people take that literally. YouTube can very well be Premium-only and they'll see how much their service is actually worth to people.

Probiotic6081 3y ago

they could monetize differently, without ads. let creators monetize it like patreon tiers and let users make proportional donations to their favourite creators through a flattr-like system. take the ads out and a place like youtube only need like 5 guys to run.