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Meta's Ongoing Efforts Regarding the Israel-Hamas War

4 points by davidbarker 3y ago

2Gkashmiri 3y ago
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- ta_vf7xjd34cc 3y ago
  > idea of hamas=bad This is from the Hamas Charter: “The Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realization of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: ‘The day of judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jews will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say ‘O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.”[1] Let HN readers decide for themselves if Hamas=bad is a fact or merely an idea. [1] What Would Hamas Do If It Could Do Whatever It Wanted? (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/what-would-hamas-do-if-it-could-do-whatever-it-wanted/375545/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/wh...)
  - 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
    wow. you are this dumb
    - bongoman37 3y ago
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  - 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
    https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp this quote is a literal rendering of a quote of the islamic holy prophet who could or could have said this in some unknown context. found this https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:4077 https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:4077 it says dai'f meaning weak tradition. read this fully and then understand that this is being said by muslims that it is a weak tradition and is in all likelihood a falsehood ascribed to the holy prophet. Why would hamas use it? maybe because it plays into their narrative but in no way it should be "taken" on face value by itself
    - ta_vf7xjd34cc 3y ago
      > quote of the islamic holy prophet What Mohammed did or said is not relevant here. That Hamas chose to use those specific words in their charter to convey their genocidal intent is. They could have quoted Hitler, or Stalin, or Mao for all I care. Or made up something of their own. Jihadists and jihadi organizations always rely on Islamic history, writing and tradition because that makes it easier to rile up Muslims on issues that are otherwise irrelevant to them. Otherwise, why the f--- would you chant "from the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" or taunt Jews with "Khaybar" in a supposed rally in support for Palestine?[1][2] Or, use genocidal language in your charter? Sam Harris, as quoted in the article above, is right: "People are capable of committing genocide. When they tell us they intend to commit genocide, we should listen." So, when Hamas quotes Mohammed (regardless of the authenticity of the quote), it should be "taken" at "face value." [1] LILLEY UNLEASHED: Canadian citizens need to denounce Hamas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGXaZ9Uryis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGXaZ9Uryis) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar
- raxxorraxor 3y ago
  I believe you are just trying to frame Israel as being responsible for the attack itself. I would suggest the same about the bubble. The term terror has lost a lot of meaning in context of our ever increasing security theatre. But I cannot see this attack as anything else and the only goal was to kill as many Israeli as possible.

4 points by davidbarker 3y ago

2Gkashmiri 3y ago

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ta_vf7xjd34cc 3y ago
> idea of hamas=bad This is from the Hamas Charter: “The Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realization of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: ‘The day of judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jews will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say ‘O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.”[1] Let HN readers decide for themselves if Hamas=bad is a fact or merely an idea. [1] What Would Hamas Do If It Could Do Whatever It Wanted? (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/what-would-hamas-do-if-it-could-do-whatever-it-wanted/375545/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/wh...)
- 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
  wow. you are this dumb
  - bongoman37 3y ago
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- 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
  https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp this quote is a literal rendering of a quote of the islamic holy prophet who could or could have said this in some unknown context. found this https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:4077 https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:4077 it says dai'f meaning weak tradition. read this fully and then understand that this is being said by muslims that it is a weak tradition and is in all likelihood a falsehood ascribed to the holy prophet. Why would hamas use it? maybe because it plays into their narrative but in no way it should be "taken" on face value by itself
  - ta_vf7xjd34cc 3y ago
    > quote of the islamic holy prophet What Mohammed did or said is not relevant here. That Hamas chose to use those specific words in their charter to convey their genocidal intent is. They could have quoted Hitler, or Stalin, or Mao for all I care. Or made up something of their own. Jihadists and jihadi organizations always rely on Islamic history, writing and tradition because that makes it easier to rile up Muslims on issues that are otherwise irrelevant to them. Otherwise, why the f--- would you chant "from the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" or taunt Jews with "Khaybar" in a supposed rally in support for Palestine?[1][2] Or, use genocidal language in your charter? Sam Harris, as quoted in the article above, is right: "People are capable of committing genocide. When they tell us they intend to commit genocide, we should listen." So, when Hamas quotes Mohammed (regardless of the authenticity of the quote), it should be "taken" at "face value." [1] LILLEY UNLEASHED: Canadian citizens need to denounce Hamas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGXaZ9Uryis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGXaZ9Uryis) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar
raxxorraxor 3y ago
I believe you are just trying to frame Israel as being responsible for the attack itself. I would suggest the same about the bubble. The term terror has lost a lot of meaning in context of our ever increasing security theatre. But I cannot see this attack as anything else and the only goal was to kill as many Israeli as possible.