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How to Download and Install Linux
- habitue 3y agoI noticed they probably don't mention "bare-metal windows"
- tw1984 3y agoso microsoft is now teaching people to get the cancer known as linux? for those who don't know, Microsoft openly claimed that "Linux is a cancer" back in 2001. https://www.theregister.com/2001/06/02/ballmer_linux_is_a_cancer/ https://www.theregister.com/2001/06/02/ballmer_linux_is_a_ca...
- vissidarte_choi 3y ago[dead]
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago>Microsoft openly claimed that "Linux is a cancer" back in 2001 Yes, and? Like any company, it's not a single-mind monolith set in stone willing to die on some random hills, but adapts to where the money is if it wishes to survive, and it's represented by people who are subject to change, specifically Balmer who said that at the time and he's been replaced by Nadella, who fixed a lot of the bad directions Blamer took. Apple also refused to use USB-C over lightning until the EU forced them, then came around and told everyone how much better the "new" USB C connector is despite refusing to use it in their phones for nearly a decade.
- tw1984 3y ago> Apple also refused to use USB-C over lightning until the EU forced them, then came around and told everyone how much better the "new" USB C connector is despite refusing to use it in their phones for nearly a decade. you seem to have yourself really confused. refusing to use certain tech is one thing, labelling it as a "cancer" when the tech is being built by millions of people with an idea of promoting openness is a completely different new level.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoOf course he was wrong, that's why they replaced him with nadela. What's your point though? Never heard of bad CEOs? The only conclusion was that Balmer was wrong and Microsoft was right.
- rhuru 3y agoTimes change, people change and companies pivot. Linux has won and Windows is more like cancer today. We should be glad that Microsoft has shown the ability to adapt unlike say RIM (blackberry).
- maligree 3y agoThis was 22 years ago... it's honestly so tiring to see people use this as a "got 'em!" argument. Times change, businesses change. This is not a case of ideology.
- bloqs 3y agoI'm astonished that people view companies and their leadership as this timeless monolithic entity
- leemailll 3y agoit's interesting all your replies just saying time changes forget about all the bad things
- tcfhgj 3y agoI think he is right, and Microsoft teaching Linux doesn't event contradict it
- giomasce 3y agoEven if they take the stance that Linux is a terrible thing, forcing terrible things on their users is hardly a new practice for Microsoft.
- tw1984 3y agoit is microsoft, what you can expect from them.
- pjmlp 3y agoBecause Microsoft's money makers are Azure and Office 365, so they can care less what OS people use, as long as they pick Azure. The same Microsoft that had a lawsuit with Sun regarding J++, which lead to the creation of .NET, now has its own Java distribution based on OpenJDK, hired several OpenJDK contributors, and is one of the companies doing the work of ARM support. Also collaborates with Red-Hat in the Java support for Visual Studio, one of the few languages alongside Python, C#, PowerShell and TypeScript that have tier 1 support from Microsoft. Incidently is why the Windows development experience has gotten worse, with most of the work done by interns and people without background in Windows developer culture. If only some of the money used for Activision/Blizzard acquisition was used for Windows teams instead.
- tw1984 3y ago> Incidently is why the Windows development experience has gotten worse, with most of the work done by interns and people without background in Windows developer culture. the reason why they have to rely on interns to do such "development" is obvious - skilled developers feel ashamed or at least embarrassing to use/develop for windows.
- ChrisRR 3y ago22 years ago... practically half the existence of modern computing.
- tw1984 3y agodepends on what do you mean by modern computing however, you and I can definitely agree on something here, that is the company known as microsoft is still making money by selling dinosaur "techs", look at its windows, office, visual studio, how much really changed from the 2001 era? yet it is still a major cash cow of the company.
- phendrenad2 3y agoSo tired of this. This is like saying "Oh? Apple is still making iphones out of METAL? Not Spindler plastic?!"
- Alifatisk 3y agoI guess we’re at the extinguish phase now?
- yura 3y agoI don't think they've extended Linux in any meaningful way. I'd say we're at Embrace phase at best.
- Alifatisk 3y agoYou might be right, the extend stage would be WSL and now they are "embracing" Linux. In that case, what would the extinguish stage be?
- ranguna 3y agoLinux GUI apps that only work from WSL.
- FridgeSeal 3y agoHypothesising: - Some kind of MS branded Linux, that offers improved security/performance/usability etc. it’ll offer full compatibility with existing distros like Debian that devs are already familiar with, but it’ll come pre-setup on windows and it’ll have an amazing integration with GitHub, VSCode and azure, and probably their K8s product too. Much like VSCode they’ll use their influence to get devs used to using it. They’ll probably sponsor a bunch of major OSS projects to use it and start offering features specific to it, bits of it will be “open sourced soon” or similar. The position of power and control will be exerted over it-much the same way Google does with chrome and how that is “open source”. - a linux compatible api layer over windows, with the angle of “no reason to need Linux anymore”, they’ll angle for large enterprise customers first, offering a Linux-compatible experience, to convert them. Similar experience with above, where the end to end (local to cloud) experience will be the focus. Once again they’ll integrate with existing tooling and major OSS players with the same goal-be so seamless and tightly integrated, and “works with existing tools” that devs will flock to it the way they do with chrome. Orgs and projects will switch to supporting it, probably because the overall experience is superior. That’s a couple of ideas off the top of my head, we could probably all come with some more scenarios.
- herbst 3y agokinda opinionated ... > few developers choose this method due to the overhead of needing to restart (reboot) your device any time you want to switch between the operating systems. The overhead of booting windows maybe once a year? > If you choose the bare metal Linux install route, you may also need to deal with potential driver issues or hardware compatibility problems that may arise with Linux on some devices. With Linux? Did they even mention that you need to install windows before Linux because windows has (had?) No concept for dual boot?
- pipo234 3y ago> The overhead of booting windows maybe once a year? No way! If you were to boot into Windows only once a year, I'm sure there will be a couple of updates waiting to be installed, forcing you to boot into Windows at least twice a year ;-)
- herbst 3y agoIt's been a while since I actually booted into windows. I nearly forgot how even my VMs seem to break after a year or two without booting them.
- benterix 3y ago> Did they even mention that you need to install windows before Linux because windows has (had?) No concept for dual boot? Last time I tried it would still overwrite whatever Grub set up so yes, after 30 years of Linux Windows is still behaving like it's the only game in town.
- rbanffy 3y agoI have since ever consigned Windows to its VM where it can’t ruin anything.
- tinsmith 3y agoIt's not just opinionated. The article is straight up gaslighting.
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- whelp_24 3y agoHow to install Linux without hurting our bottom line too much.
- limoce 3y agokind of ridiculous. they should learn how to keep my grub entries first.
- luke-stanley 3y agoIt's cool seeing Microsoft explain Linux use, yet the 'embrace and extend' tactics seem present. FTA: "If you are good with a slightly more complicated install process and don't need access to Windows tools (like Outlook, Teams, Word, PowerPoint, etc), you can run Linux on bare metal." It hints that cross-compatibility isn’t possible, and omits that most don't use alternatives like Google Docs and LibreOffice anyway. Overlooking Wine and VMs feels intentional. Classic Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Outside normal desktop Linux, Chrome OS is trusted more that Windows for good reasons. Instead of odd Linux takes, Microsoft should better their products and reputation. Contextual AI features won't fix their trust issue. Being trustworthy might! I'm not sure they can do that though this side of the singularity.
- growt 3y agoYou can also use almost the complete set of Microsoft tools in the browser now.
- rbanffy 3y agoAnd they’ll occupy less memory as well.
- jojobas 3y agoYou can't seriously expect MS (or anybody else) to publish how-tos on how to get off their products in favour of competitors.
- rbanffy 3y agoWell… they have Active Directory, Exchange, SharePoint, Teams, Power BI, Excel, and quite a few others so deeply ingrained into most companies, Microsoft will be healthy for at least a couple decades from now. And once your company’s data is on Azure, chances are it’ll stay there forever.
- ChrisRR 3y agoThe problem is that this is just a short guide. Either it stays short and vague, or becomes a 500 page book about how libreoffice will replace most of the functionality of office but misses a lot of common features, and may introduce random compatibility issues with your word docs, that you may have unsupported hardware, may have to google for random scripts to make common hardware work, discuss the pros and cons of each desktop, explain the additional software you'll have to install to interface with devices/services, etc. Or they just give you an overview on the different install methods
- aitchnyu 3y agoWill MS avoid breaking dual booting from now on?
- lakomen 3y agoI want to, ideally, run Arch and have a gpu pass-through Windows installation in a VM, for games only. There, it can do all the spying and malware it wants, I'll have snapshots, I might even use a M$ account to sync my save games to their cloud. But last time I tried, it didn't work very well. That was a few years ago already. I'm not sure what the current state is and if I'd need more than 1 GPU. I could imagine running Linux with the CPU's GPU only and having the Nvidia GPU (because let's be real, who uses AMD for gaming, nv uses less energy to achieve a nicer looking result) dedicated for the Windows VM.
- doix 3y agoThat would be ideal for me as well. I tried getting something similar to work and eventually gave up. I just game through Steam and let the preconfigured proton stuff handle everything.
- pucman 3y agoThis is the setup that I have, although my host is Debian. I guess it works best with two separate GPUs, but a CPU's GPU and a normal one should work just fine. Take a look at Looking Glass [0], setup is a bit confusing, but once done it works flawlessly for me. [0] https://looking-glass.io/ https://looking-glass.io/
- rbanffy 3y agoMy solution is to have two machines, one for Windows, one for work, each optimised for its intended use: for work I’m fine with integrated graphics, but I need more memory and faster CPU, but for play, the core count can be much lower, as long as the GPU is nice.
- Brian_K_White 3y agoThis is so fat-headed. "did you know, you can actually run linux on bare metal??? zomg but it's super scary and will void your warranty and probably your dog will die and the fbi will think you're a hacker, probably because your wife will tell them, because srsly who does that otherwise?"
- supriyo-biswas 3y agoSEO is the name of the game, and Microsoft is hoping to capitalize on some of the traffic and direct it towards WSL. Obviously their interests are selfish (as is the nature of business), but that explains some of the language.
- jojobas 3y agoStill a huge leap from the point where MS bootloaders would not load Linux on purpose or otherwise acknowledge its existence. You didn't expect a Microsoft KB article saying 'windoze suxx, here's how to remove it' did you?
- Brian_K_White 3y agoI expect them to say they offer a new bare metal azure option they invented that can actually boot outside of wsl for enterprise customers...
- ChrisRR 3y agoThis is clearly not a guide for enterprise-level deployment.
- Brian_K_White 3y agoand my comment was clearly not literal
- ChrisRR 3y agoI think we must be reading very different pages because that's not how it comes across at all. I think this reads very fairly, and if anything maybe understates the downsides for the average user that would come with ditching windows
- wseqyrku 3y agoI hope Microsoft let go of Windows NT the same way it let go of EdgeHTML and market products around OSS/Linux.
- jojobas 3y agoThat's delusional. Windows has what, 70% desktop/laptop OS market share?
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