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I have the 845 g9, and I'm lukewarm about it. It's more to do with AMD than HP, but HP also has a few annoyances. - No insert key - No external display before

I have the 845 g9, and I'm lukewarm about it. It's more to do with AMD than HP, but HP also has a few annoyances. - No insert key - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. - Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken, s2idle sleep fails occasionally, gets stuck in lowest frequency sometimes, several others that have slowly been fixed on mainline - Battery life is pretty mediocre. 5-6 hours of browsing, 2-3 hours of video.

sva_ 3y ago
The insert key seems to be fn-f10 now. I have to say I don't really ever use it? What do people use it for, if I may ask? I configure everything to use vim-style editing, so maybe that's why. I can't really speak on the display stuff, but I fell like I saw something related to that in the BIOS. Haven't had issues with sleep either, but maybe because I've only been using the machine for 2 days. About the battery, I really wonder if ASPM is off for you as well? It seems to be a common theme among HP Laptops. My battery life nearly doubled when I set it up. What is your output of $ sudo dmesg | grep ASPM (if you use Linux?)
- jack1243star 3y ago
  Ctrl-Ins and Shift-Ins works more universally than Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V across Windows and Linux.
  - appointment 3y ago
    I believe the Ctrl-Ins etc came from IBM while Ctrl+C/V/X started as Cmd-C/V/X on the Apple Lisa.
- bubblethink 3y ago
  ctrl + shift + ins doesn't work on this laptop. That's what I use to paste in the terminal. You can also do ctrl + shift + v, which I am trying to learn now. I also see a bunch of spurious corrected aer messages, for which I've had to add a noaer kernel boot arg. On ASPM, maybe PCIe ASPM doesn't work ? Not sure. Here's dmesg. [ 0.362132] ACPI FADT declares the system doesn't support PCIe ASPM, so disable it [ 0.468451] acpi PNP0A08:00: _OSC: OS supports [ExtendedConfig ASPM ClockPM Segments MSI EDR HPX-Type3] [ 0.468617] acpi PNP0A08:00: FADT indicates ASPM is unsupported, using BIOS configuration [ 5757.416672] pcieport 0000:00:04.1: ASPM: current common clock configuration is inconsistent, reconfiguring
  - sva_ 3y ago
    That's exactly what mine showed when ASPM wasn't enabled. Before that I got at most about 9 hours doing nothing, after enabling it I got about 14 hours even doing light webbrowsing and such. I made a Reddit post about it today, enabling it under Linux manually. Many people have been complaining about low battery life on the Elitebook 845 G10, and most people suspected missing ASPM support to be the culprit. The nice thing is, under Linux you can force it, even if the BIOS doesn't offer it. I'm still testing though, so it is pretty experimental. You can find instructions on what I did here, if you're interested: https://old.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/16lz0oh/anyone_managed_to_get_pci_express_activestate/k4klnmg/ https://old.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/16lz0oh/anyone_... Apologies, it is a pretty long post. e: And I don't know if this generalizes to G9 laptops
    - bubblethink 3y ago
      Thanks. I'll try this out. For my next purchase, I'm going to stick to an Intel Thinkpad. I still use my 10 year old T530, and I bought this to replace it, but I still find myself using the T530 most of the time.
    - nicolaslem 3y ago
      Thank you very much for that, my G9 hovers around 5 W idle which is not great. I will try these tweaks. Note that there is a GUI app called "Power Statistics" that shows the evolution of power consumption on battery quite well. It still uses data reported by the battery which is not super accurate but works well enough when looking at say an hour of data points.
      - nicolaslem 3y ago
        Unfortunately no clear improvement for me after applying these tweaks.
- bayindirh 3y ago
  > What do people use it for, if I may ask? I configure everything to use vim-style editing, so maybe that's why. To toggle overwrite mode in word processors, and funnily enough, in vim. It's muscle memory now. Pres "i" to start writing, use insert to toggle between "REPLACE/INSERT" mode.
  - jamespo 3y ago
    If I accidentally enable overwrite mode I suppose this would be useful to disable it quickly
sofixa 3y ago
> No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. Just a guess, but is the monitor over HDMI or USB C / Thunderbolt? If the later, there may be BIOS settings to enable it before boot is completed (IIRC on Dells it's disabled).
- bubblethink 3y ago
  Yeah, it's behind a dock. I'll check the bios. IIRC, I had tried various settings in the bios to no avail.
hypercube33 3y ago
Most of that sounds like it's HP design / bios so it's again on HP. check for a bios update or settings for display
vladvasiliu 3y ago
> - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. That's weird. I have the g8 and there is no such issue. I routinely type my LUKS password on my external keyboard and monitor. The only thing that doesn't show up on the external screen IIRC is the boot selection menu.
- nicolaslem 3y ago
  I can confirm, I have the G9 using my monitor as a dock (thanks USB-C :) and I can type LUKS passwords on it just fine.
eqvinox 3y ago
I have the same laptop, and while the BIOS/UEFI indeed doesn't activate any external monitors, Linux does it during boot before LUKS password prompt for me… not sure what the difference is? I'm on kernel 6.4. There's also a firmware upgrade (the kind in /lib/firmware, not the kind in flash memory on the card) for the QCNFA765 wifi card that you have to install, which fixes both a lot (probably not all) of the s2idle issues, and gives a little bit of battery life. I found this out with some s0ix test tool that I now can't find… anyway, it should say in dmesg: ath11k_pci 0000:01:00.0: fw_version 0x110b196e fw_build_timestamp 2022-12-22 12:54 fw_build_id WLAN.HSP.1.1-03125-QCAHSPSWPL_V1_V2_SILICONZ_LITE-3.6510.23 Also, as some siblings already posted, Insert is on Fn+F10, which does indeed suck… but funnily enough it is also (undocumented?) on Fn+E, where it was on previous HP Elitebooks. I find that slightly more useful due to being reachable one-handed…
- bubblethink 3y ago
  Maybe it's some interaction with the dock ? My external monitor is behind the hp tb4 dock. The wifi firmware is just the linux firmware, right ? I use Fedora, so it should be pretty up to date. s2idle is mostly fine, it's just that it'll randomly fail to sleep and the laptop will have a drained battery the next day when I open it.
nicolaslem 3y ago
> Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken This is so annoying, I use a Firefox extension for Youtube called "Your Codecs." that allows to block VP9 so I can keep hardware decoding on without having random GPU crashes.

sva_ 3y ago

The insert key seems to be fn-f10 now. I have to say I don't really ever use it? What do people use it for, if I may ask? I configure everything to use vim-style editing, so maybe that's why. I can't really speak on the display stuff, but I fell like I saw something related to that in the BIOS. Haven't had issues with sleep either, but maybe because I've only been using the machine for 2 days. About the battery, I really wonder if ASPM is off for you as well? It seems to be a common theme among HP Laptops. My battery life nearly doubled when I set it up. What is your output of $ sudo dmesg | grep ASPM (if you use Linux?)

jack1243star 3y ago
Ctrl-Ins and Shift-Ins works more universally than Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V across Windows and Linux.
- appointment 3y ago
  I believe the Ctrl-Ins etc came from IBM while Ctrl+C/V/X started as Cmd-C/V/X on the Apple Lisa.
bubblethink 3y ago
ctrl + shift + ins doesn't work on this laptop. That's what I use to paste in the terminal. You can also do ctrl + shift + v, which I am trying to learn now. I also see a bunch of spurious corrected aer messages, for which I've had to add a noaer kernel boot arg. On ASPM, maybe PCIe ASPM doesn't work ? Not sure. Here's dmesg. [ 0.362132] ACPI FADT declares the system doesn't support PCIe ASPM, so disable it [ 0.468451] acpi PNP0A08:00: _OSC: OS supports [ExtendedConfig ASPM ClockPM Segments MSI EDR HPX-Type3] [ 0.468617] acpi PNP0A08:00: FADT indicates ASPM is unsupported, using BIOS configuration [ 5757.416672] pcieport 0000:00:04.1: ASPM: current common clock configuration is inconsistent, reconfiguring
- sva_ 3y ago
  That's exactly what mine showed when ASPM wasn't enabled. Before that I got at most about 9 hours doing nothing, after enabling it I got about 14 hours even doing light webbrowsing and such. I made a Reddit post about it today, enabling it under Linux manually. Many people have been complaining about low battery life on the Elitebook 845 G10, and most people suspected missing ASPM support to be the culprit. The nice thing is, under Linux you can force it, even if the BIOS doesn't offer it. I'm still testing though, so it is pretty experimental. You can find instructions on what I did here, if you're interested: https://old.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/16lz0oh/anyone_managed_to_get_pci_express_activestate/k4klnmg/ https://old.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/16lz0oh/anyone_... Apologies, it is a pretty long post. e: And I don't know if this generalizes to G9 laptops
  - bubblethink 3y ago
    Thanks. I'll try this out. For my next purchase, I'm going to stick to an Intel Thinkpad. I still use my 10 year old T530, and I bought this to replace it, but I still find myself using the T530 most of the time.
  - nicolaslem 3y ago
    Thank you very much for that, my G9 hovers around 5 W idle which is not great. I will try these tweaks. Note that there is a GUI app called "Power Statistics" that shows the evolution of power consumption on battery quite well. It still uses data reported by the battery which is not super accurate but works well enough when looking at say an hour of data points.
    - nicolaslem 3y ago
      Unfortunately no clear improvement for me after applying these tweaks.
bayindirh 3y ago
> What do people use it for, if I may ask? I configure everything to use vim-style editing, so maybe that's why. To toggle overwrite mode in word processors, and funnily enough, in vim. It's muscle memory now. Pres "i" to start writing, use insert to toggle between "REPLACE/INSERT" mode.
- jamespo 3y ago
  If I accidentally enable overwrite mode I suppose this would be useful to disable it quickly

sofixa 3y ago

> No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. Just a guess, but is the monitor over HDMI or USB C / Thunderbolt? If the later, there may be BIOS settings to enable it before boot is completed (IIRC on Dells it's disabled).

bubblethink 3y ago
Yeah, it's behind a dock. I'll check the bios. IIRC, I had tried various settings in the bios to no avail.

hypercube33 3y ago

Most of that sounds like it's HP design / bios so it's again on HP. check for a bios update or settings for display

vladvasiliu 3y ago

> - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. That's weird. I have the g8 and there is no such issue. I routinely type my LUKS password on my external keyboard and monitor. The only thing that doesn't show up on the external screen IIRC is the boot selection menu.

nicolaslem 3y ago
I can confirm, I have the G9 using my monitor as a dock (thanks USB-C :) and I can type LUKS passwords on it just fine.

eqvinox 3y ago

I have the same laptop, and while the BIOS/UEFI indeed doesn't activate any external monitors, Linux does it during boot before LUKS password prompt for me… not sure what the difference is? I'm on kernel 6.4. There's also a firmware upgrade (the kind in /lib/firmware, not the kind in flash memory on the card) for the QCNFA765 wifi card that you have to install, which fixes both a lot (probably not all) of the s2idle issues, and gives a little bit of battery life. I found this out with some s0ix test tool that I now can't find… anyway, it should say in dmesg: ath11k_pci 0000:01:00.0: fw_version 0x110b196e fw_build_timestamp 2022-12-22 12:54 fw_build_id WLAN.HSP.1.1-03125-QCAHSPSWPL_V1_V2_SILICONZ_LITE-3.6510.23 Also, as some siblings already posted, Insert is on Fn+F10, which does indeed suck… but funnily enough it is also (undocumented?) on Fn+E, where it was on previous HP Elitebooks. I find that slightly more useful due to being reachable one-handed…

bubblethink 3y ago
Maybe it's some interaction with the dock ? My external monitor is behind the hp tb4 dock. The wifi firmware is just the linux firmware, right ? I use Fedora, so it should be pretty up to date. s2idle is mostly fine, it's just that it'll randomly fail to sleep and the laptop will have a drained battery the next day when I open it.

nicolaslem 3y ago

> Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken This is so annoying, I use a Firefox extension for Youtube called "Your Codecs." that allows to block VP9 so I can keep hardware decoding on without having random GPU crashes.