4 ms·

> Maybe the solution is to improve the accessibility tools, not hack scrollbars I doubt you meant it, but your post reads like you're advocating less-abled peo

> Maybe the solution is to improve the accessibility tools, not hack scrollbars I doubt you meant it, but your post reads like you're advocating less-abled people purchase (often expensive) eye-trackers instead of making scrollbars generally more usable for everyone.

tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago
The article specifically mentions eye tracker users as an affected group. Everybody who tries to actually use the scroll bar as a handle (rather than a non-interactive position indicator for use with the other scrolling methods) would have a problem, because they're not really meant to be used that way and most people don't use them that way (which is why they keep shrinking). Unfortunately the article doesn't mention how people who don't use an eye tracker, can't use a scroll wheel/touchscreen-dragging (or adapted replacement for either!), but could use a "normal-sized" scrollbar, are actually interacting with their devices. I imagine that overlapping group to be rather small.
- DaiPlusPlus 3y ago
  > because they're not really meant to be used that way ...how do you think people scrolled documents in Word before mice had scroll-wheels?
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > ...how do you think people scrolled documents in Word before mice had scroll-wheels? With the page up and page down keys, mostly, though you could drag the scrollbar. Not sure about Word, but I believe many apps had a keyboard + mouse combination that enabled scrolling with any mouse movement without interacting with the scollbar, as well.
    - guraf 3y ago
      > With the page up and page down keys, mostly, There is NO way that most people used page up down rather than drag the scrollbar in the late 90s.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago
    Very painfully. Have you ever noticed how fountains in cities are increasingly impractical to fill water jugs from? (Just because eons ago it was meant to be used that way, doesn't mean it still is.)

tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago

The article specifically mentions eye tracker users as an affected group. Everybody who tries to actually use the scroll bar as a handle (rather than a non-interactive position indicator for use with the other scrolling methods) would have a problem, because they're not really meant to be used that way and most people don't use them that way (which is why they keep shrinking). Unfortunately the article doesn't mention how people who don't use an eye tracker, can't use a scroll wheel/touchscreen-dragging (or adapted replacement for either!), but could use a "normal-sized" scrollbar, are actually interacting with their devices. I imagine that overlapping group to be rather small.

DaiPlusPlus 3y ago
> because they're not really meant to be used that way ...how do you think people scrolled documents in Word before mice had scroll-wheels?
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > ...how do you think people scrolled documents in Word before mice had scroll-wheels? With the page up and page down keys, mostly, though you could drag the scrollbar. Not sure about Word, but I believe many apps had a keyboard + mouse combination that enabled scrolling with any mouse movement without interacting with the scollbar, as well.
  - guraf 3y ago
    > With the page up and page down keys, mostly, There is NO way that most people used page up down rather than drag the scrollbar in the late 90s.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago
  Very painfully. Have you ever noticed how fountains in cities are increasingly impractical to fill water jugs from? (Just because eons ago it was meant to be used that way, doesn't mean it still is.)