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funny how you only care about israeli babies. are the palestinian babies too brown for you to empathize with?

by fzil 3y ago

invalidname 3y ago
That's nonsense. I care a lot about Palestinian babies as an Israeli. The Hamas is the reason they are at risk. Anyone who wants to support the Palestinian people needs to understand that the biggest obstacle to a Palestinian state and liberty is the Hamas who is conducting a Jihad. It doesn't care about Palestinian lives and considers them casualties in a holy war. I think the bombings are terrible and don't help the Israeli cause one bit. But I can't really blame the leadership here. After watching the photos there's a rage going on here which is exactly what the Hamas wanted.
- fzil 3y ago
  > I think the bombings are terrible and don't help the Israeli cause one bit. But I can't really blame the leadership here. After watching the photos there's a rage going on here which is exactly what the Hamas wanted. Funny how I could use the same logic to defend Hamas. I think the shootings at the music festival and attacks on other civilians by Hamas were terrible and don’t help the Palestinian cause one bit. But I can’t really blame the Hamas leadership here. After watching the violent dispossession of Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem and incursions into the al-Alqsa mosque there’s a rage going on here which is exactly what the IDF wanted. But if anyone actually defended the attacks on Israeli civilians they would rightfully be called terrorist sympathizers. So, I’ll hold you to the same standards. Do you stand by your words? Do you think that the Israeli leadership is not be blamed for the hundreds of dead infants and thousands of dead kids? Does the genocidal IDF have no responsibility for telling a million+ Gazans to leave their homes or be bombed to dead? Do you support the ethnic cleansing of Gaza?
  - invalidname 3y ago
    > Funny how I could use the same logic to defend Hamas. Nonsense. The difference of intentionally executing babies and children and kidnapping civilians should be stark. Shame on you. Unlike the Hamas Israel tried to have a peaceful solution multiple times. Including a Palestinian state. They are not fighting for their people, they are fighting for their god, it's a war for the purpose of death not liberation. > incursions into the al-Alqsa mosque there’s a rage going on here which is exactly what the IDF wanted. Just like the Palestinian people are divided so are we. The IDF doesn't want anything, its an army. The current government includes people who are terrible racists and they did the al-Alqsa stuff. They are the Israeli counterparts of the Hamas. I understand that rage and I honestly understood the recent incursions in Jenin, they made sense. They focused on settlers and on the military. > Do you think that the Israeli leadership is not be blamed for the hundreds of dead infants and thousands of dead kids? To some degree yes. I do. I think they will need to explain the justification to what they're doing. Unfortunately, Israel never recognized the authority of the Hague court. Also with the weakening democracy in Israel this is even more of a problem. > Does the genocidal IDF have no responsibility for telling a million+ Gazans to leave their homes or be bombed to dead? Do you support the ethnic cleansing of Gaza? The word genocide is problematic here. The IDF specifically issued a clearance warning indicating its targets in advance. That's not something you do if you plan to kill civilians. Calling it ethnic cleansing is untrue at the moment. Even the inflated numbers published by the Hamas don't back that up. Notice that even now the Hamas is still firing missiles onto Israel and I just walked out of a shelter...
    - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
      And note that, when Hamas fired missiles, they didn't issue a clearance warning. Still less when they sent on-the-ground fighters. Israel causes civilian casualties. Hamas deliberately tries to create civilian casualties. They are not morally equivalent.
    - fzil 3y ago
      > intentionally executing babies and children spare me the propaganda please, the same line has been repeated since Iraq war. And here we are 30 years later, were Biden says that he saw pictures of kids decapitated and hours later refuted by his own staff. There's pictures upon pictures of Gazan kids and infants being pulled out of rubble and not much acknowledgement of it. > [...] and kidnapping civilians should be stark. Shame on you. Don't mistake my comment for me actually defending Hamas and the atrocities last weekend. It was to point out that the IDF/Israeli govt didn't exactly descend from heaven and they are just as horrific morally. > Unlike the Hamas Israel tried to have a peaceful solution multiple times. Including a Palestinian state. Hamas is around 20 years old. Please take a look as to what has happened during the same period to the West Bank which is controlled by non-violent PLO. Armed settlers have taken over neighborhoods and Palestinians are left with no recourse. > I understand that rage and I honestly understood the recent incursions in Jenin, they made sense. They focused on settlers and on the military. The 2023 incursions in Jenin were offensives by the IDF and the Israeli Border Police. Unless you are talking about something else, please link it here as I wasn't able to find any Hamas or other Palestinian offensives this year in Jenin. > The word genocide is problematic here. The IDF specifically issued a clearance warning indicating its targets in advance. That's not something you do if you plan to kill civilians. No, you put them in a medieval style siege by cutting of water, electricity, food and any external aid. There's that interview with ex PM of Israel, Naftali Bennett, where he was asked about the Gazan kids in incubators and his reply was "Are you seriously asking me about Palestinian Civilians? What is wrong with you?" So, when Israeli officials ask for _half_ of Gaza to evacuate to the south, these 1.1 million people have nowhere to go. Atm, ~400k Gazans are displaced from their homes, how many of these were Hamas? > Calling it ethnic cleansing is untrue at the moment. Even the inflated numbers published by the Hamas don't back that up. Roughly 50% of Gaza's population is under 18. Its the result of decades of indiscriminate killing by the IDF. I wonder at what point of this conflict Israeli's realize that they are fighting a force of kids who grew up in the constant shelling of their homes. And this weeks bombing on civilian infrastructure in Gaza is only going to result in another battalion for Hamas in a decades time. > Notice that even now the Hamas is still firing missiles onto Israel and I just walked out of a shelter... I hope you and your loved ones are safe and make it out of this mess. I just want everyone to understand that on the other side of the wall there are families that are sitting in their apartments without protection from an American funded Iron Dome or bomb shelters, waiting to die out of no fault of their own. And for whatever reason people (politicians / journalists of countries that I am a citizen / generally a supporter of) think that Israel in its right to defend itself is justified in leveling Gaza.

funny how you only care about israeli babies. are the palestinian babies too brown for you to empathize with?

by fzil 3y ago

funny how you only care about israeli babies. are the palestinian babies too brown for you to empathize with?

That's nonsense. I care a lot about Palestinian babies as an Israeli. The Hamas is the reason they are at risk. Anyone who wants to support the Palestinian people needs to understand that the biggest obstacle to a Palestinian state and liberty is the Hamas who is conducting a Jihad. It doesn't care about Palestinian lives and considers them casualties in a holy war. I think the bombings are terrible and don't help the Israeli cause one bit. But I can't really blame the leadership here. After watching the photos there's a rage going on here which is exactly what the Hamas wanted.

fzil 3y ago
> I think the bombings are terrible and don't help the Israeli cause one bit. But I can't really blame the leadership here. After watching the photos there's a rage going on here which is exactly what the Hamas wanted. Funny how I could use the same logic to defend Hamas. I think the shootings at the music festival and attacks on other civilians by Hamas were terrible and don’t help the Palestinian cause one bit. But I can’t really blame the Hamas leadership here. After watching the violent dispossession of Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem and incursions into the al-Alqsa mosque there’s a rage going on here which is exactly what the IDF wanted. But if anyone actually defended the attacks on Israeli civilians they would rightfully be called terrorist sympathizers. So, I’ll hold you to the same standards. Do you stand by your words? Do you think that the Israeli leadership is not be blamed for the hundreds of dead infants and thousands of dead kids? Does the genocidal IDF have no responsibility for telling a million+ Gazans to leave their homes or be bombed to dead? Do you support the ethnic cleansing of Gaza?
- invalidname 3y ago
  > Funny how I could use the same logic to defend Hamas. Nonsense. The difference of intentionally executing babies and children and kidnapping civilians should be stark. Shame on you. Unlike the Hamas Israel tried to have a peaceful solution multiple times. Including a Palestinian state. They are not fighting for their people, they are fighting for their god, it's a war for the purpose of death not liberation. > incursions into the al-Alqsa mosque there’s a rage going on here which is exactly what the IDF wanted. Just like the Palestinian people are divided so are we. The IDF doesn't want anything, its an army. The current government includes people who are terrible racists and they did the al-Alqsa stuff. They are the Israeli counterparts of the Hamas. I understand that rage and I honestly understood the recent incursions in Jenin, they made sense. They focused on settlers and on the military. > Do you think that the Israeli leadership is not be blamed for the hundreds of dead infants and thousands of dead kids? To some degree yes. I do. I think they will need to explain the justification to what they're doing. Unfortunately, Israel never recognized the authority of the Hague court. Also with the weakening democracy in Israel this is even more of a problem. > Does the genocidal IDF have no responsibility for telling a million+ Gazans to leave their homes or be bombed to dead? Do you support the ethnic cleansing of Gaza? The word genocide is problematic here. The IDF specifically issued a clearance warning indicating its targets in advance. That's not something you do if you plan to kill civilians. Calling it ethnic cleansing is untrue at the moment. Even the inflated numbers published by the Hamas don't back that up. Notice that even now the Hamas is still firing missiles onto Israel and I just walked out of a shelter...
  - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
    And note that, when Hamas fired missiles, they didn't issue a clearance warning. Still less when they sent on-the-ground fighters. Israel causes civilian casualties. Hamas deliberately tries to create civilian casualties. They are not morally equivalent.
  - fzil 3y ago
    > intentionally executing babies and children spare me the propaganda please, the same line has been repeated since Iraq war. And here we are 30 years later, were Biden says that he saw pictures of kids decapitated and hours later refuted by his own staff. There's pictures upon pictures of Gazan kids and infants being pulled out of rubble and not much acknowledgement of it. > [...] and kidnapping civilians should be stark. Shame on you. Don't mistake my comment for me actually defending Hamas and the atrocities last weekend. It was to point out that the IDF/Israeli govt didn't exactly descend from heaven and they are just as horrific morally. > Unlike the Hamas Israel tried to have a peaceful solution multiple times. Including a Palestinian state. Hamas is around 20 years old. Please take a look as to what has happened during the same period to the West Bank which is controlled by non-violent PLO. Armed settlers have taken over neighborhoods and Palestinians are left with no recourse. > I understand that rage and I honestly understood the recent incursions in Jenin, they made sense. They focused on settlers and on the military. The 2023 incursions in Jenin were offensives by the IDF and the Israeli Border Police. Unless you are talking about something else, please link it here as I wasn't able to find any Hamas or other Palestinian offensives this year in Jenin. > The word genocide is problematic here. The IDF specifically issued a clearance warning indicating its targets in advance. That's not something you do if you plan to kill civilians. No, you put them in a medieval style siege by cutting of water, electricity, food and any external aid. There's that interview with ex PM of Israel, Naftali Bennett, where he was asked about the Gazan kids in incubators and his reply was "Are you seriously asking me about Palestinian Civilians? What is wrong with you?" So, when Israeli officials ask for _half_ of Gaza to evacuate to the south, these 1.1 million people have nowhere to go. Atm, ~400k Gazans are displaced from their homes, how many of these were Hamas? > Calling it ethnic cleansing is untrue at the moment. Even the inflated numbers published by the Hamas don't back that up. Roughly 50% of Gaza's population is under 18. Its the result of decades of indiscriminate killing by the IDF. I wonder at what point of this conflict Israeli's realize that they are fighting a force of kids who grew up in the constant shelling of their homes. And this weeks bombing on civilian infrastructure in Gaza is only going to result in another battalion for Hamas in a decades time. > Notice that even now the Hamas is still firing missiles onto Israel and I just walked out of a shelter... I hope you and your loved ones are safe and make it out of this mess. I just want everyone to understand that on the other side of the wall there are families that are sitting in their apartments without protection from an American funded Iron Dome or bomb shelters, waiting to die out of no fault of their own. And for whatever reason people (politicians / journalists of countries that I am a citizen / generally a supporter of) think that Israel in its right to defend itself is justified in leveling Gaza.