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The US Navy sold 2 obsolete carriers In the world of 2023, ALL carriers are obsolete. The way as all battleships were obsolete in 1941. Aircraft carriers = sl

The US Navy sold 2 obsolete carriers In the world of 2023, ALL carriers are obsolete. The way as all battleships were obsolete in 1941. Aircraft carriers = slow, expensive targets.

credit_guy 3y ago
They are not slow, they ca do more than 40 miles per hour. You think it's that easy to hit a target that travels at 40 mph somewhere 1000 miles out in the ocean? Yes, I know, you have some super-duper hypersonic scary aircraft carrier killer things. It's still not easy to even locate an aircraft carrier 1000 miles away, to say nothing about tracking it and accurately doing course corrections on a hypersonic missile, all while defeating electronic warfare countermeasures.
- simonblack 3y ago
  Wow! 40 miles an hour! So fast! Give that carrier 5 hours start. What's that? A mere 200 miles. A hypersonic anti-shipping missile goes roughly 6000 miles an hour. So that missile would catch up that huge 200 miles in 2 miserable little minutes. Now, final manoeuvring. The carrier's biggest drawback is its size. Everything else is tiny in comparison. And it will be in the middle of a (hugely visible on radar) Carrier Group. So if you want to hit a carrier, just aim for the largest return in the middle of that very conspicuous Carrier Group.
  - credit_guy 3y ago
    Things are so easy on paper, aren't they? Who is exactly going to locate the aircraft carrier? A drone, an airplane, a satellite? Once they locate and the missile is launched, will they be able to keep in contact? Will they be able to maintain eyes on target? Pro tip: you can't launch a hypersonic missile from any point in the world and do it in a way that the US Navy has no clue about that. Once the launch happens, it's game on. Satellites are blinded by lasers, smoke screens are deployed, also decoys with similar radar signatures as warships [1]. Any spotting drone or airplane is as good as dead. Given that, 40 miles per hour is actually fast. In 10 minutes the carrier can be 8 miles away from the initial point. It does not need to be that far, one mile is enough, even if the hypersonic missile has a nuclear warhead. And by the way, did the Chinese ever demonstrate they can hit a target at sea one thousand miles away? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SLQ-49_Chaff_Buoy_Decoy_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SLQ-49_Chaff_Buoy_Decoy_Sys...
    - simonblack 3y ago
      Just keep on believing that, if it makes you feel safe. And just in case you're still in need of a citation: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37662/chinese-long-range-ballistic-missiles-struck-moving-ship-in-south-china-sea-report https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37662/chinese-long-ran...
      - credit_guy 3y ago
        Thanks for the citation, but there's about zero evidence that they've hit anything.
jjeaff 3y ago
Aircraft carriers are what gives the US global military dominance. They are moving airports, moving cities, moving military bases that can be positioned within bombing range of anywhere in the world and they are usually flanked by a few nuclear subs. Most fighter jets have a range of less than 2000 miles so you need the moveable airports. The fact that aircraft carriers are slow is irrelevant, you won't ever get close enough to fire on them.
- simonblack 3y ago
  The fact that aircraft carriers are slow is irrelevant, you won't ever get close enough to fire on them. Shhh!. Don't look now, but the range of most carrier-based planes is roughly 800 miles. (The much-vaunted F35 is reported to have a range of only about 600* miles.) Many anti-shipping missiles have a range greater than 1000 miles. You do the math. * https://www.quora.com/Is-the-F-35Bs-combat-radius-450-550nm-from-a-ship-impressive-or-lacklustre-relative-to-other-carrier-based-platforms https://www.quora.com/Is-the-F-35Bs-combat-radius-450-550nm-...
  - snypher 3y ago
    You're talking cruise missiles, right? The AGM-158C is only good for 500 miles

The US Navy sold 2 obsolete carriers In the world of 2023, ALL carriers are obsolete. The way as all battleships were obsolete in 1941. Aircraft carriers = slow, expensive targets.

credit_guy 3y ago

They are not slow, they ca do more than 40 miles per hour. You think it's that easy to hit a target that travels at 40 mph somewhere 1000 miles out in the ocean? Yes, I know, you have some super-duper hypersonic scary aircraft carrier killer things. It's still not easy to even locate an aircraft carrier 1000 miles away, to say nothing about tracking it and accurately doing course corrections on a hypersonic missile, all while defeating electronic warfare countermeasures.

simonblack 3y ago
Wow! 40 miles an hour! So fast! Give that carrier 5 hours start. What's that? A mere 200 miles. A hypersonic anti-shipping missile goes roughly 6000 miles an hour. So that missile would catch up that huge 200 miles in 2 miserable little minutes. Now, final manoeuvring. The carrier's biggest drawback is its size. Everything else is tiny in comparison. And it will be in the middle of a (hugely visible on radar) Carrier Group. So if you want to hit a carrier, just aim for the largest return in the middle of that very conspicuous Carrier Group.
- credit_guy 3y ago
  Things are so easy on paper, aren't they? Who is exactly going to locate the aircraft carrier? A drone, an airplane, a satellite? Once they locate and the missile is launched, will they be able to keep in contact? Will they be able to maintain eyes on target? Pro tip: you can't launch a hypersonic missile from any point in the world and do it in a way that the US Navy has no clue about that. Once the launch happens, it's game on. Satellites are blinded by lasers, smoke screens are deployed, also decoys with similar radar signatures as warships [1]. Any spotting drone or airplane is as good as dead. Given that, 40 miles per hour is actually fast. In 10 minutes the carrier can be 8 miles away from the initial point. It does not need to be that far, one mile is enough, even if the hypersonic missile has a nuclear warhead. And by the way, did the Chinese ever demonstrate they can hit a target at sea one thousand miles away? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SLQ-49_Chaff_Buoy_Decoy_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SLQ-49_Chaff_Buoy_Decoy_Sys...
  - simonblack 3y ago
    Just keep on believing that, if it makes you feel safe. And just in case you're still in need of a citation: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37662/chinese-long-range-ballistic-missiles-struck-moving-ship-in-south-china-sea-report https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37662/chinese-long-ran...
    - credit_guy 3y ago
      Thanks for the citation, but there's about zero evidence that they've hit anything.

jjeaff 3y ago

Aircraft carriers are what gives the US global military dominance. They are moving airports, moving cities, moving military bases that can be positioned within bombing range of anywhere in the world and they are usually flanked by a few nuclear subs. Most fighter jets have a range of less than 2000 miles so you need the moveable airports. The fact that aircraft carriers are slow is irrelevant, you won't ever get close enough to fire on them.

simonblack 3y ago
The fact that aircraft carriers are slow is irrelevant, you won't ever get close enough to fire on them. Shhh!. Don't look now, but the range of most carrier-based planes is roughly 800 miles. (The much-vaunted F35 is reported to have a range of only about 600* miles.) Many anti-shipping missiles have a range greater than 1000 miles. You do the math. * https://www.quora.com/Is-the-F-35Bs-combat-radius-450-550nm-from-a-ship-impressive-or-lacklustre-relative-to-other-carrier-based-platforms https://www.quora.com/Is-the-F-35Bs-combat-radius-450-550nm-...
- snypher 3y ago
  You're talking cruise missiles, right? The AGM-158C is only good for 500 miles