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Illinois? What belief system is that? Anyway, Christian followers already expect science to bring faith into question. I'm one such follower who believes scie
by mholt 3y ago
Illinois? What belief system is that?
Anyway, Christian followers already expect science to bring faith into question.
I'm one such follower who believes science and faith can describe the same truth, as long as the science and faith are both accurate. Both are systems of experimentation, trial and error. There is much we can learn from historical records!
- selimthegrim 3y agoNauvoo, IL
- mholt 3y agoYes, that is where a temple was burned by arsonists and where the leader lived when he was murdered. But I don't think any church is claiming that "magic plates" where left there by Egyptians. (I grew up near there and have visited the town many times.)
- lazide 3y agoThe location was actually in New York. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates And the history of why the temple got burned was basically ‘because he was stealing all the women’. According to the angry mob that burned it. If I remember correctly.
- henry-j 3y agoMormons believe that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon from golden plates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates) that he found near his home in upstate New York, which might be what OP's referring to.
- mholt 3y agoI figured; it's just an important detail that "someone who lives in Utah" would know if they took the slightest bit of time getting to know or understand the religion that surrounds them. It follows that claims of "scam artist" and "magic plates" and "ancient Egyptians" may be dubious, as the person making the claim doesn't actually know the most basic story of the faith.
- lazide 3y agoDo you have any counter cites? Because it seems pretty close! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates
- mholt 3y agoPrimary sources. The only references to Egypt are in relation to the language, not actual Egyptians: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/search?query=egyptians&types=documents-papers-revelations-and-translations%7Cdocuments-papers-histories%7Cdocuments-papers-documents%7Cdocuments-papers-journals%7Cdocuments-papers-introductions%7Cdocuments-papers-administrative%7Cdocuments-papers-legal%7Cdocuments-papers-other-contemporary-papers%7Cdocuments-papers%7Crelated-materials%7Cbiographical-directory%7Cgeographical-directory%7Cglossary%7Cevent&page=1 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/search?query=egyptians&typ... i.e. the plates were written in a language reformed from original Egyptian -- which makes sense, as ancient Hebrews would sometimes write in Egyptian characters when enscribing was difficult (metal plates!) because the Egyptian script was more concise. It became reformed after a thousand years on the other side of the world, far removed from original Egyptian land and culture. No Egyptians were ever involved with burying the plates. That would have been a native American, technically a Jew, whose ancestors came over from Jerusalem / ancient Israel. As for magic plates, there's nothing in the historical record claiming that the plates themselves were magic: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/search?query=magic&types=documents-papers-histories%7Cdocuments-papers-revelations-and-translations%7Cdocuments-papers-introductions%7Cdocuments-papers-legal%7Cdocuments-papers-journals%7Cdocuments-papers%7Crelated-materials%7Cbiographical-directory%7Cgeographical-directory%7Cglossary%7Cevent&page=1 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/search?query=magic&types=d... I guess anyone could say anything they want about them, but those who actually saw and handled the plates never claimed they were "magic" as far as I can tell. Then as for scam artist -- I suppose that is a matter of personal judgment, since no fair trial ever occurred or made a guilty verdict before he was murdered.
- reedf1 3y agoQED