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how do you effectively shame people into doing the right thing here, as opposed to just letting them do the wrong thing at an alarming scale?
by riffic 3y ago
how do you effectively shame people into doing the right thing here, as opposed to just letting them do the wrong thing at an alarming scale?
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- switch007 3y agoYou mean shame the producers?
- Timshel 3y agoI would shame the ones producing. Stuff like disposable vape should just not exists. They are the one making a profit from this pollution ..
- tuatoru 3y agoHow is that possible? Companies are completely sociopathic. Whatever they say, they're only saying that to get people to buy their stuff. Shame cannot work.
- blacksmith_tb 3y agoReplace "shame" with "regulate and fine" and I think we have a viable approach.
- klhutchins 3y agoyeah, it seems people forgot the other two 'R's ... Reduce, Reuse.. then when you can't do that, recycle.
- saulpw 3y agoShame is not a viable mechanism at scale (particularly across cultures). Particularly with the rise of extreme partisanship, shame lobbed at one group will be turned into an identity and used provactively (see e.g. "rolling coal").
- kalupa 3y agoyou may be seeing a "guilt based society" trying to use a "shame based society" mores, here. we don't live in a shame based society, so it fails to do it's work pretty quickly ... but then there's the rise in popularity of "just not giving a shit at all" and morality left the building long, long ago ...
- seanp2k2 3y agosee also: https://www.reddit.com/r/ImTheMainCharacter/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ImTheMainCharacter/
- adasdasdas 3y agoUnder a capitalist system, you just need to force people to pay for the externalized cost so incentives align.
- dragonwriter 3y agoArguably, any system of assessing and forcing people to pay for the assessed external costs is at odds with capitalism (it is arguably a form of central planning and interference with the free market). Which is not to say that it isn't a good idea, and the minimum deviation necessary from capitalism to address externalities, but ideological capitalism/free-market purists tend to oppose it pretty strongly.
- saulpw 3y ago"Capitalism" does not mean "free market". It literally means that the profits go to investors (capital) instead of to the workers (labor). You can certainly have a capitalist system that does not have a free market, and you can certainly have a free market system that is not capitalism.