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"No contract" in the telco world means no minimum length clauses (as opposed to something like a "12 month contract" plan, where you legally agree to stay on th

"No contract" in the telco world means no minimum length clauses (as opposed to something like a "12 month contract" plan, where you legally agree to stay on the plan for at least one year), it doesn't literally mean there isn't a contract.

arcticbull 3y ago
Right but in the same way I can end the contract and walk away at any time, I would imagine it's totally kosher for T-Mobile to do the same. It's not like either party is locked in.
- cmeacham98 3y ago
  Sure, but "end the contract" doesn't mean "upgrade to a higher paying plan without consent".
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  - arcticbull 3y ago
    I mean I can change to a more or less expensive plan by giving the carrier notice, I assume its fair for the carrier to do the same to me no? If you want to guarantee a price plan, sign a term contract. Feels like customers want to have their cake and eat it: lock the carrier in, but have no obligations of their own.
    - thunky 3y ago
      > I can change to a more or less expensive plan by giving the carrier notice, I assume its fair for the carrier to do the same to me no? No. Would you feel the same if the landlord of your month-to-month rental upgraded you to a more expensive house? Sure they can increase the rent, and you can move somewhere else, but there is baseline a expectation that the house you rented will not change.
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      - arcticbull 3y ago
        > Would you feel the same if the landlord of your month-to-month rental upgraded you to a more expensive house? I mean, if they renovated my unit or even the common areas, and told me I could stay at a higher rent I'd think that was just fine. It happened to me at least once already, come to think of it. But yeah, they raised the rent on people without term commitments effective immediately, and anyone on a term contract could keep their old rate until it expired. Again if you don't like the risk of this changing out from under you, sign a term contract, right?
        thunky 3y ago
        I'm not saying they raise the rent on your current place (which is perfectly fine), I'm saying they move/upgrade you to a more expensive address that you've never seen before.
dawnerd 3y ago
I mean we know this but do you think the average consumer knows this? They’re still locking people in two two year plans by use of the whole “free phone” or “upgrade” offers.

arcticbull 3y ago

Right but in the same way I can end the contract and walk away at any time, I would imagine it's totally kosher for T-Mobile to do the same. It's not like either party is locked in.

cmeacham98 3y ago
Sure, but "end the contract" doesn't mean "upgrade to a higher paying plan without consent".
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- arcticbull 3y ago
  I mean I can change to a more or less expensive plan by giving the carrier notice, I assume its fair for the carrier to do the same to me no? If you want to guarantee a price plan, sign a term contract. Feels like customers want to have their cake and eat it: lock the carrier in, but have no obligations of their own.
  - thunky 3y ago
    > I can change to a more or less expensive plan by giving the carrier notice, I assume its fair for the carrier to do the same to me no? No. Would you feel the same if the landlord of your month-to-month rental upgraded you to a more expensive house? Sure they can increase the rent, and you can move somewhere else, but there is baseline a expectation that the house you rented will not change.
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    - arcticbull 3y ago
      > Would you feel the same if the landlord of your month-to-month rental upgraded you to a more expensive house? I mean, if they renovated my unit or even the common areas, and told me I could stay at a higher rent I'd think that was just fine. It happened to me at least once already, come to think of it. But yeah, they raised the rent on people without term commitments effective immediately, and anyone on a term contract could keep their old rate until it expired. Again if you don't like the risk of this changing out from under you, sign a term contract, right?
      - thunky 3y ago
        I'm not saying they raise the rent on your current place (which is perfectly fine), I'm saying they move/upgrade you to a more expensive address that you've never seen before.

dawnerd 3y ago

I mean we know this but do you think the average consumer knows this? They’re still locking people in two two year plans by use of the whole “free phone” or “upgrade” offers.