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> Why are people calling them hate rallies? Because their immediate response to an unprecedented atrocity was to spontaneously organize a public celebration. Y

> Why are people calling them hate rallies? Because their immediate response to an unprecedented atrocity was to spontaneously organize a public celebration. Yeah, and? I want these people to go mask-off. Silencing them just gives them plausible deniability, and that's what we can't afford to let them have if we really want to fight and defeat them politically. Did we do a better job fighting the American far-right before or after Charlottesville?

inglor_cz 3y ago
"I want these people to go mask-off." This is something that I want too, and I am surprised by the fact that many people would rather prefer not to know. As if pushing Hamas sympathizers underground would "disappear" them. Western Europe has a huge problem with Islamic radicalism and it should face this problem without any self-delusions.
- seryoiupfurds 3y ago
  The good news is that these people are so committed to their cause that they're willing to go to jail for it. From that perspective, it's a win-win. Everyone gets to see them show the world what they are, and then to see them disavowed by society.
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Moldoteck 3y ago
But there's a risk like: "look eu is allowing terrorist cheering events!" But imo eu failed in this direction too bc most countries lack a proper integration program so that ppl either adapt to live in a democracy or gtfo of the eu if they don't like it
mrguyorama 3y ago
Which is why facism in america completely died out after Charlottesville and the completely mask off "blood and soil" march? No? There are still honest to god nazis, swastika and all, protesting in Florida. Supporters of what happened in Charlottesville still have millions of causal followers, and militias are probably having no issue recruiting. This is why the ACLU stopped carrying water for facists: The "marketplace of ideas" has not seemed to work, and in general, globally, desire for authoritarianism is increasing as people feel squeezed and stressed and scared, basically the same as it always happens. So we espoused this pro-speech plan, and then spent decades educating on the values of democracy and how obviously better it is than facism or other forms of authoritarianism, and then the second things get a little scary people turned to easy solutions of "Just hate that out group" like they always do. It's like humans mostly work on emotions and aren't perfectly logical creatures or something, and addictive emotional stuff is just better at spreading than the nuance of reality.
aaomidi 3y ago
> Yeah, and? I want these people to go mask-off. Supporting civilians in Gaza is not going “mask off”. However, the leader of the “only democracy in the Middle East” calling gazans animals is. Also, this dude is the minister of national security of Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir?wprov=sfti1 This is someone who was so racist, the IDF exempted him from military service. This person is now leading the national security strategy of Israel.
- eli_gottlieb 3y ago
  >Supporting civilians in Gaza is not going “mask off”. The great thing about free speech is that if French demonstrators just support the humanitarian needs and basic rights and freedoms of Gazan civilians, then we'll see that when they demonstrate freely. And if they do like the demonstrators in Sydney and yell, "gas the Jews!", we'll see that too.

inglor_cz 3y ago

"I want these people to go mask-off." This is something that I want too, and I am surprised by the fact that many people would rather prefer not to know. As if pushing Hamas sympathizers underground would "disappear" them. Western Europe has a huge problem with Islamic radicalism and it should face this problem without any self-delusions.

seryoiupfurds 3y ago
The good news is that these people are so committed to their cause that they're willing to go to jail for it. From that perspective, it's a win-win. Everyone gets to see them show the world what they are, and then to see them disavowed by society.
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Moldoteck 3y ago

But there's a risk like: "look eu is allowing terrorist cheering events!" But imo eu failed in this direction too bc most countries lack a proper integration program so that ppl either adapt to live in a democracy or gtfo of the eu if they don't like it

mrguyorama 3y ago

Which is why facism in america completely died out after Charlottesville and the completely mask off "blood and soil" march? No? There are still honest to god nazis, swastika and all, protesting in Florida. Supporters of what happened in Charlottesville still have millions of causal followers, and militias are probably having no issue recruiting. This is why the ACLU stopped carrying water for facists: The "marketplace of ideas" has not seemed to work, and in general, globally, desire for authoritarianism is increasing as people feel squeezed and stressed and scared, basically the same as it always happens. So we espoused this pro-speech plan, and then spent decades educating on the values of democracy and how obviously better it is than facism or other forms of authoritarianism, and then the second things get a little scary people turned to easy solutions of "Just hate that out group" like they always do. It's like humans mostly work on emotions and aren't perfectly logical creatures or something, and addictive emotional stuff is just better at spreading than the nuance of reality.

aaomidi 3y ago

> Yeah, and? I want these people to go mask-off. Supporting civilians in Gaza is not going “mask off”. However, the leader of the “only democracy in the Middle East” calling gazans animals is. Also, this dude is the minister of national security of Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir?wprov=sfti1 This is someone who was so racist, the IDF exempted him from military service. This person is now leading the national security strategy of Israel.

eli_gottlieb 3y ago
>Supporting civilians in Gaza is not going “mask off”. The great thing about free speech is that if French demonstrators just support the humanitarian needs and basic rights and freedoms of Gazan civilians, then we'll see that when they demonstrate freely. And if they do like the demonstrators in Sydney and yell, "gas the Jews!", we'll see that too.