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No, democracies have to have limits what they tolerate. Killing civilians just because they have a certain religion is incompatible with western values. The lim

No, democracies have to have limits what they tolerate. Killing civilians just because they have a certain religion is incompatible with western values. The limit should be too not be tolerant with people that are not willing to provide the same tolerance. By that standard celebrating the killing of civilians we shouldn't tolerate.

BudaDude 3y ago
Palestine != Hamas
jabradoodle 3y ago
That isn't what they banned, they banned pro Palestine demonstrations. Not a mention of Hamas.
- medvezhenok 3y ago
  The problems were not the demonstrations, it was the barrage of death threats against Jews (inside France). Which were linked and exacerbated because of the demonstrations. The demonstrations themselves are acceptable - but the linked death threats definitely aren't, and unfortunately the state apparatus is not set up to deal adequately with the latter.
  - stvltvs 3y ago
    Can you expand on how the death threats were linked to the protests? I tend to think focusing on the threats themselves would be the better approach. Having trouble seeing how shutting down protest would help.
    - nickthegreek 3y ago
      2 days ago in Australia the pro-palenstinian protestors were chanting gas the Jews. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/pro-palestine-protest-sydeny-opera-house-hamas-attacks/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/pro-palest...
    - medvezhenok 3y ago
      Look at January 6th. Many people came to "peacefully protest" the election and got swept up in doing something they didn't expect to do. I don't know if you can conclusively prove they were directly linked, but we've seen how online people get radicalized by finding a community that espouses abhorrent ideas and then go on to commit crimes in service of that community. Real life gatherings and protests can have the same radicalizing effect in certain cases. That's not to say all of them do - the ideology behind the protest matters. I agree that focusing on death threats would be a better approach - the problem is that it's very hard to find perpetrators and very easy to commit. Deterrence doesn't scale in that case.
BasedAnon 3y ago
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- seryoiupfurds 3y ago
  > BasedAnon > goyim 4chan /pol/ wants their neonazi talking points back.
  - BasedAnon 3y ago
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BudaDude 3y ago

Palestine != Hamas

jabradoodle 3y ago

That isn't what they banned, they banned pro Palestine demonstrations. Not a mention of Hamas.

medvezhenok 3y ago
The problems were not the demonstrations, it was the barrage of death threats against Jews (inside France). Which were linked and exacerbated because of the demonstrations. The demonstrations themselves are acceptable - but the linked death threats definitely aren't, and unfortunately the state apparatus is not set up to deal adequately with the latter.
- stvltvs 3y ago
  Can you expand on how the death threats were linked to the protests? I tend to think focusing on the threats themselves would be the better approach. Having trouble seeing how shutting down protest would help.
  - nickthegreek 3y ago
    2 days ago in Australia the pro-palenstinian protestors were chanting gas the Jews. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/pro-palestine-protest-sydeny-opera-house-hamas-attacks/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/pro-palest...
  - medvezhenok 3y ago
    Look at January 6th. Many people came to "peacefully protest" the election and got swept up in doing something they didn't expect to do. I don't know if you can conclusively prove they were directly linked, but we've seen how online people get radicalized by finding a community that espouses abhorrent ideas and then go on to commit crimes in service of that community. Real life gatherings and protests can have the same radicalizing effect in certain cases. That's not to say all of them do - the ideology behind the protest matters. I agree that focusing on death threats would be a better approach - the problem is that it's very hard to find perpetrators and very easy to commit. Deterrence doesn't scale in that case.

BasedAnon 3y ago

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seryoiupfurds 3y ago
> BasedAnon > goyim 4chan /pol/ wants their neonazi talking points back.
- BasedAnon 3y ago
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