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Why are people calling them hate rallies? Because their immediate response to an unprecedented atrocity was to spontaneously organize a public celebration. It'

Why are people calling them hate rallies? Because their immediate response to an unprecedented atrocity was to spontaneously organize a public celebration. It's like organizing a "pro-German but not pro-Nazi" march the day after Kristallnacht, with banners and chants glorifying the violence. Nobody is fooled and every normal person with a shred of empathy is disgusted. Watch a crowd cheer for a speaker who says that every Israeli man, woman and child is a valid military target. https://twitter.com/Cooper4SAE/status/1711214442875093236 https://twitter.com/Cooper4SAE/status/1711214442875093236 And of course people legitimately holding a vigil for peace and supporting the human rights of Palestinian civilians are not guilty of hate, so long as they don't justify or downplay the crimes of Hamas. But many of the rallies were absolutely something else that has no place in a free or decent society. I've seen plenty of Palestinians interviewed on TV who said "I'm disgusted by the attacks of Hamas. All I want is peace for our people." Everyone can support a statement like that, and if the organizers of these rallies cared they could have thrown out anyone who didn't.

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eli_gottlieb 3y ago
> Why are people calling them hate rallies? Because their immediate response to an unprecedented atrocity was to spontaneously organize a public celebration. Yeah, and? I want these people to go mask-off. Silencing them just gives them plausible deniability, and that's what we can't afford to let them have if we really want to fight and defeat them politically. Did we do a better job fighting the American far-right before or after Charlottesville?
- inglor_cz 3y ago
  "I want these people to go mask-off." This is something that I want too, and I am surprised by the fact that many people would rather prefer not to know. As if pushing Hamas sympathizers underground would "disappear" them. Western Europe has a huge problem with Islamic radicalism and it should face this problem without any self-delusions.
  - seryoiupfurds 3y ago
    The good news is that these people are so committed to their cause that they're willing to go to jail for it. From that perspective, it's a win-win. Everyone gets to see them show the world what they are, and then to see them disavowed by society.
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- Moldoteck 3y ago
  But there's a risk like: "look eu is allowing terrorist cheering events!" But imo eu failed in this direction too bc most countries lack a proper integration program so that ppl either adapt to live in a democracy or gtfo of the eu if they don't like it
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Which is why facism in america completely died out after Charlottesville and the completely mask off "blood and soil" march? No? There are still honest to god nazis, swastika and all, protesting in Florida. Supporters of what happened in Charlottesville still have millions of causal followers, and militias are probably having no issue recruiting. This is why the ACLU stopped carrying water for facists: The "marketplace of ideas" has not seemed to work, and in general, globally, desire for authoritarianism is increasing as people feel squeezed and stressed and scared, basically the same as it always happens. So we espoused this pro-speech plan, and then spent decades educating on the values of democracy and how obviously better it is than facism or other forms of authoritarianism, and then the second things get a little scary people turned to easy solutions of "Just hate that out group" like they always do. It's like humans mostly work on emotions and aren't perfectly logical creatures or something, and addictive emotional stuff is just better at spreading than the nuance of reality.
- aaomidi 3y ago
  > Yeah, and? I want these people to go mask-off. Supporting civilians in Gaza is not going “mask off”. However, the leader of the “only democracy in the Middle East” calling gazans animals is. Also, this dude is the minister of national security of Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir?wprov=sfti1 This is someone who was so racist, the IDF exempted him from military service. This person is now leading the national security strategy of Israel.
  - eli_gottlieb 3y ago
    >Supporting civilians in Gaza is not going “mask off”. The great thing about free speech is that if French demonstrators just support the humanitarian needs and basic rights and freedoms of Gazan civilians, then we'll see that when they demonstrate freely. And if they do like the demonstrators in Sydney and yell, "gas the Jews!", we'll see that too.
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eli_gottlieb 3y ago

> Why are people calling them hate rallies? Because their immediate response to an unprecedented atrocity was to spontaneously organize a public celebration. Yeah, and? I want these people to go mask-off. Silencing them just gives them plausible deniability, and that's what we can't afford to let them have if we really want to fight and defeat them politically. Did we do a better job fighting the American far-right before or after Charlottesville?

inglor_cz 3y ago
"I want these people to go mask-off." This is something that I want too, and I am surprised by the fact that many people would rather prefer not to know. As if pushing Hamas sympathizers underground would "disappear" them. Western Europe has a huge problem with Islamic radicalism and it should face this problem without any self-delusions.
- seryoiupfurds 3y ago
  The good news is that these people are so committed to their cause that they're willing to go to jail for it. From that perspective, it's a win-win. Everyone gets to see them show the world what they are, and then to see them disavowed by society.
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Moldoteck 3y ago
But there's a risk like: "look eu is allowing terrorist cheering events!" But imo eu failed in this direction too bc most countries lack a proper integration program so that ppl either adapt to live in a democracy or gtfo of the eu if they don't like it
mrguyorama 3y ago
Which is why facism in america completely died out after Charlottesville and the completely mask off "blood and soil" march? No? There are still honest to god nazis, swastika and all, protesting in Florida. Supporters of what happened in Charlottesville still have millions of causal followers, and militias are probably having no issue recruiting. This is why the ACLU stopped carrying water for facists: The "marketplace of ideas" has not seemed to work, and in general, globally, desire for authoritarianism is increasing as people feel squeezed and stressed and scared, basically the same as it always happens. So we espoused this pro-speech plan, and then spent decades educating on the values of democracy and how obviously better it is than facism or other forms of authoritarianism, and then the second things get a little scary people turned to easy solutions of "Just hate that out group" like they always do. It's like humans mostly work on emotions and aren't perfectly logical creatures or something, and addictive emotional stuff is just better at spreading than the nuance of reality.
aaomidi 3y ago
> Yeah, and? I want these people to go mask-off. Supporting civilians in Gaza is not going “mask off”. However, the leader of the “only democracy in the Middle East” calling gazans animals is. Also, this dude is the minister of national security of Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir?wprov=sfti1 This is someone who was so racist, the IDF exempted him from military service. This person is now leading the national security strategy of Israel.
- eli_gottlieb 3y ago
  >Supporting civilians in Gaza is not going “mask off”. The great thing about free speech is that if French demonstrators just support the humanitarian needs and basic rights and freedoms of Gazan civilians, then we'll see that when they demonstrate freely. And if they do like the demonstrators in Sydney and yell, "gas the Jews!", we'll see that too.

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