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I would love to see how many other engineers want to live in non tier one metros. I’d be even more curious about a demographic breakdown. As a brown person, bei

by sargun 3y ago

I would love to see how many other engineers want to live in non tier one metros. I’d be even more curious about a demographic breakdown. As a brown person, being in a non tier one has been uncomfortable.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/real-estate/our-insights/americans-are-embracing-flexible-work-and-they-want-more-of-it https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/real-estate/our-insights... > For example, the vast majority of employed people in computer and mathematical occupations report having remote-work options, and 77 percent report being willing to work fully remotely. > Another of the survey’s revelations: when people have the chance to work flexibly, 87 percent of them take it. This dynamic is widespread across demographics, occupations, and geographies. The flexible working world was born of a frenzied reaction to a sudden crisis but has remained as a desirable job feature for millions. This represents a tectonic shift in where, when, and how Americans want to work and are working. I can definitely understand your position with regards to wanting (rightfully demanding, even) to be treated respectably and with humanity and deceny where you live and work, but arguing SF is more accepting than all non top tier cities because of the political climate is a reach. There are plenty of non top tier cities tolerant of others.
- abeppu 3y ago
  That survey is not addressing the specific question sargun raised. I'm happily 100% remote, working from the comfort of my SF home for a company based in NYC. I enjoy that being remote gives me control over my physical working environment (I don't have to constantly wear headphones in an open plan office, etc), and removes a commute from my daily schedule. I _also_ appreciate that SF is a dense city, where I can easily live without a car, use a relatively decent public transit system, where my dietary preferences are generally easily met, and where my race and sexual orientation are thoroughly unremarkable.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    Fair, that data is hard to come by. We'll just need to see how fast SF degrows/outflows to know the scope of demand by the cohort sargun mentions unless someone wants to collect the data, run a poll, etc and see how many folks of that cohort will vote with their dollars to be in SF physically. Is the startup ecosystem going to be able to pay enough to drag folks there in the current high benchmark rates for longer (perhaps forever?)? To be determined. YC has deep pockets [1], but you don't fight the Fed [2] [3]. [1] https://www.ycdb.co/top-companies/exit-value https://www.ycdb.co/top-companies/exit-value [2] https://www.axios.com/2023/09/23/fed-interest-rates-venture-capital https://www.axios.com/2023/09/23/fed-interest-rates-venture-... [3] https://www.axios.com/2023/09/21/fed-reserve-plan-inflation-interest-rates https://www.axios.com/2023/09/21/fed-reserve-plan-inflation-...

by sargun 3y ago

toomuchtodo 3y ago

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/real-estate/our-insights/americans-are-embracing-flexible-work-and-they-want-more-of-it https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/real-estate/our-insights... > For example, the vast majority of employed people in computer and mathematical occupations report having remote-work options, and 77 percent report being willing to work fully remotely. > Another of the survey’s revelations: when people have the chance to work flexibly, 87 percent of them take it. This dynamic is widespread across demographics, occupations, and geographies. The flexible working world was born of a frenzied reaction to a sudden crisis but has remained as a desirable job feature for millions. This represents a tectonic shift in where, when, and how Americans want to work and are working. I can definitely understand your position with regards to wanting (rightfully demanding, even) to be treated respectably and with humanity and deceny where you live and work, but arguing SF is more accepting than all non top tier cities because of the political climate is a reach. There are plenty of non top tier cities tolerant of others.

abeppu 3y ago
That survey is not addressing the specific question sargun raised. I'm happily 100% remote, working from the comfort of my SF home for a company based in NYC. I enjoy that being remote gives me control over my physical working environment (I don't have to constantly wear headphones in an open plan office, etc), and removes a commute from my daily schedule. I _also_ appreciate that SF is a dense city, where I can easily live without a car, use a relatively decent public transit system, where my dietary preferences are generally easily met, and where my race and sexual orientation are thoroughly unremarkable.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Fair, that data is hard to come by. We'll just need to see how fast SF degrows/outflows to know the scope of demand by the cohort sargun mentions unless someone wants to collect the data, run a poll, etc and see how many folks of that cohort will vote with their dollars to be in SF physically. Is the startup ecosystem going to be able to pay enough to drag folks there in the current high benchmark rates for longer (perhaps forever?)? To be determined. YC has deep pockets [1], but you don't fight the Fed [2] [3]. [1] https://www.ycdb.co/top-companies/exit-value https://www.ycdb.co/top-companies/exit-value [2] https://www.axios.com/2023/09/23/fed-interest-rates-venture-capital https://www.axios.com/2023/09/23/fed-interest-rates-venture-... [3] https://www.axios.com/2023/09/21/fed-reserve-plan-inflation-interest-rates https://www.axios.com/2023/09/21/fed-reserve-plan-inflation-...