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Do you actually have a counter argument to the fact that a measurement based on one race or sex may not be applicable to all races/sexes? This is common knowled

by jmye 3y ago

Do you actually have a counter argument to the fact that a measurement based on one race or sex may not be applicable to all races/sexes? This is common knowledge in health care, so I’m quite interested in hearing your evidence-based reason for discounting it, sorry, calling it a “pile of garbage”. You do have one, right?

antisthenes 3y ago
Yes. While variations may be present, the fact is that someone who is race X and position Y on the BMI scale in the obesity category still has the same risk factors from increased weight as someone who is race Z and position Y. You do have hard numbers about what the differences are in terms of percentages for the risk factors. right?
- jmye 3y ago
  The same risk factors? Or the same risk? What are you trying to assert? What is your basis for that assertion? Do you think a Caucasian and black person have the same risk of diabetes and hypertension, for instance? Or do you think that asserting they both have a risk is somehow sufficient? I asked a specific question. Saying “yes, lol u” is a pretty lame response.
brightlancer 3y ago
1/3 of Americans are "obese". Not "overweight", _obese_. Sure, there are and will be variations among populations (and individuals), but that variation is less meaningful when 99.999% of obese people are at unhealthy weights. Instead, it appears to be a con to excuse unhealthy behaviors, particularly by playing the trump card of "that's racist!" as the Nature article does.
- jmye 3y ago
  How is acknowledging that BMI may be a faulty measurement for some races “excusing unhealthy behaviors”? In the long run, I suppose I support a significantly less stringent definition of obesity, to enable broader access to GLP-1s, but not because, unlike a fair number of posters, I’m desperate to tell people they’re fat.
confidantlake 3y ago
Because as a rough estimate it is fine. If you are a 40 bmi it doesn't matter what your race or sex is, it is a problem.

by jmye 3y ago

antisthenes 3y ago

Yes. While variations may be present, the fact is that someone who is race X and position Y on the BMI scale in the obesity category still has the same risk factors from increased weight as someone who is race Z and position Y. You do have hard numbers about what the differences are in terms of percentages for the risk factors. right?

jmye 3y ago
The same risk factors? Or the same risk? What are you trying to assert? What is your basis for that assertion? Do you think a Caucasian and black person have the same risk of diabetes and hypertension, for instance? Or do you think that asserting they both have a risk is somehow sufficient? I asked a specific question. Saying “yes, lol u” is a pretty lame response.

brightlancer 3y ago

1/3 of Americans are "obese". Not "overweight", _obese_. Sure, there are and will be variations among populations (and individuals), but that variation is less meaningful when 99.999% of obese people are at unhealthy weights. Instead, it appears to be a con to excuse unhealthy behaviors, particularly by playing the trump card of "that's racist!" as the Nature article does.

jmye 3y ago
How is acknowledging that BMI may be a faulty measurement for some races “excusing unhealthy behaviors”? In the long run, I suppose I support a significantly less stringent definition of obesity, to enable broader access to GLP-1s, but not because, unlike a fair number of posters, I’m desperate to tell people they’re fat.

confidantlake 3y ago

Because as a rough estimate it is fine. If you are a 40 bmi it doesn't matter what your race or sex is, it is a problem.