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There’s no conflict. Developers are building and selling as soon as they can. That’s their job and that’s their business model. The people withholding units fr

There’s no conflict. Developers are building and selling as soon as they can. That’s their job and that’s their business model. The people withholding units from the market are your normal landlords and speculators who can stomach reduced rents in the income. They need to be taxed out of existence. LVT continues to be the right answer here, both for incentivizing development and disincentivizing speculation/holdouts.

nameless912 3y ago
Another option that I really like is forcing rent control on landlords who don't have at least 80% occupancy. Don't want to reduce your rents to market rate? Fine, the law will do that for you.
- ckdarby 3y ago
  Places like Vancouver, Canada do this through a vacancy tax. It doesn't appear to do much as those leaving the unit vacant are the extreme wealthy and just factor in the tax to the cost of maintaining the house.
  - usefulcat 3y ago
    Then the tax is too low to achieve the desired effect?
    - lazide 3y ago
      And/or not being applied effectively due to corruption or folks lying/hiding empty units.
    - nameless912 3y ago
      I always love this counterargument to penalty based enforcement in these sorts of situations. "The penalties don't seem to have the desired effect!" Then the natural conclusion is that they aren't high enough.
      - usefulcat 3y ago
        If that's not a reasonable conclusion in this particular case, I'm interested in knowing why.
shuckles 3y ago
The vacancy rate suggests most vacant units are in-between occupants, something you'd require for a healthy market. The vacancy rate should probably be double what it is -- it's probably at historic lows. Edit: Yep, vacant units per capita are at historic lows. We have a construction problem not a vacancy problem: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=131FW#0 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=131FW#0.
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- dv_dt 3y ago
  That definition of vacant does not seem include empty units with owners elsewhere.
  - Ajedi32 3y ago
    You're reading it wrong. Those would count as vacant. > In addition, a vacant unit may be one which is entirely occupied by persons who have a usual residence elsewhere.
    - dv_dt 3y ago
      The sentence says “may”. And the previous sentence says “ A housing unit is vacant if no one is living in it at the time of the interview, unless its occupants are only temporarily absent.” I guess we would have to read further on how they determine temporary. But given the sampling method, I would guess people doing a door to door survey and noting it as temporary absent if it’s well kept?
      - shuckles 3y ago
        The FED graph uses census vacancy data, which is what I’m assuming the original article does as well. So the metric is apples to apples.
- ethanbond 3y ago

nameless912 3y ago

Another option that I really like is forcing rent control on landlords who don't have at least 80% occupancy. Don't want to reduce your rents to market rate? Fine, the law will do that for you.

ckdarby 3y ago
Places like Vancouver, Canada do this through a vacancy tax. It doesn't appear to do much as those leaving the unit vacant are the extreme wealthy and just factor in the tax to the cost of maintaining the house.
- usefulcat 3y ago
  Then the tax is too low to achieve the desired effect?
  - lazide 3y ago
    And/or not being applied effectively due to corruption or folks lying/hiding empty units.
  - nameless912 3y ago
    I always love this counterargument to penalty based enforcement in these sorts of situations. "The penalties don't seem to have the desired effect!" Then the natural conclusion is that they aren't high enough.
    - usefulcat 3y ago
      If that's not a reasonable conclusion in this particular case, I'm interested in knowing why.

shuckles 3y ago

The vacancy rate suggests most vacant units are in-between occupants, something you'd require for a healthy market. The vacancy rate should probably be double what it is -- it's probably at historic lows. Edit: Yep, vacant units per capita are at historic lows. We have a construction problem not a vacancy problem: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=131FW#0 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=131FW#0.

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dv_dt 3y ago
That definition of vacant does not seem include empty units with owners elsewhere.
- Ajedi32 3y ago
  You're reading it wrong. Those would count as vacant. > In addition, a vacant unit may be one which is entirely occupied by persons who have a usual residence elsewhere.
  - dv_dt 3y ago
    The sentence says “may”. And the previous sentence says “ A housing unit is vacant if no one is living in it at the time of the interview, unless its occupants are only temporarily absent.” I guess we would have to read further on how they determine temporary. But given the sampling method, I would guess people doing a door to door survey and noting it as temporary absent if it’s well kept?
    - shuckles 3y ago
      The FED graph uses census vacancy data, which is what I’m assuming the original article does as well. So the metric is apples to apples.
ethanbond 3y ago