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> They didn't accept the existence of Israel and started a war For all the complexities in this situation that is probably because for hundreds of years prior

> They didn't accept the existence of Israel and started a war For all the complexities in this situation that is probably because for hundreds of years prior to Britain taking control of Palestine, it was occupied by those people. Once Britain assumed control, the agenda was set to make this a Jewish homeland and the process of mass immigration began and then the forced division and removal of Palestinians from areas they'd occupied for generations. Obviously that isn't going back even further, where the situation gets even more complex, but if people just stick to facts rather than get emotional, it is pretty understandable why Palestinians to this day believe they were conquered and removed from their land by force.

raxxorraxor 3y ago
But then they need to be confronted with the truth. Jews lived there too and they even bought large amounts of it. They also were persecuted and driven away in most of the Arab world. Look at a map of Isreal and the many Arab countries from that time. The tiny spec of Israel is responsible for the expulsions in that area? Of course the overall behavior doesn't justify any other instance, but it really doesn't sound too convincing. This is a lie that too many, even supposedly educated westenerns, from expensive universities seem to start to believe. Israel isn't free from flaws but doesn't need to hide at all.
- munksbeer 3y ago
  I apologise but I'm not really able to understand most of what you're saying above. I'm not suggesting that the Jewish people don't have a right to exist or have their own state, but that the the geographies and boundaries across the entire world have been subject to many invasions, genocide, ethnic cleansing. To the Palestinians, the generational memory is that about 100 years ago they were forcibly removed from land they had occupied for hundreds of years prior. To the Jewish people, their generational memory goes back thousands of years, suggesting that land originally belonged to them. Who is correct isn't even a solvable problem.

raxxorraxor 3y ago

But then they need to be confronted with the truth. Jews lived there too and they even bought large amounts of it. They also were persecuted and driven away in most of the Arab world. Look at a map of Isreal and the many Arab countries from that time. The tiny spec of Israel is responsible for the expulsions in that area? Of course the overall behavior doesn't justify any other instance, but it really doesn't sound too convincing. This is a lie that too many, even supposedly educated westenerns, from expensive universities seem to start to believe. Israel isn't free from flaws but doesn't need to hide at all.

munksbeer 3y ago
I apologise but I'm not really able to understand most of what you're saying above. I'm not suggesting that the Jewish people don't have a right to exist or have their own state, but that the the geographies and boundaries across the entire world have been subject to many invasions, genocide, ethnic cleansing. To the Palestinians, the generational memory is that about 100 years ago they were forcibly removed from land they had occupied for hundreds of years prior. To the Jewish people, their generational memory goes back thousands of years, suggesting that land originally belonged to them. Who is correct isn't even a solvable problem.