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Genetic differences between races are very minor as compared to the genetic differences between individuals within a race. In case you're posting from a differ

by moldbug 15y ago

Genetic differences between races are very minor as compared to the genetic differences between individuals within a race. In case you're posting from a different dimension, these "minor" differences can change the color of our skin, the shape of our bones, and even (gasp) the size of our brains. If these are minor organs, what are major ones? In case you're posting from the same dimension, your fallacy has a name: https://www.google.com/?q=Lewontins%20fallacy https://www.google.com/?q=Lewontins%20fallacy Furthermore, it is very doubtful that you can find any statistically significant genetic differences between some of the countries mentioned in the article (e.g., England and Spain). You've been keeping up with the latest genomic research, I see! Ha. I jest, of course. Again, your own eyes are a great start - they really never lie. Have you been to England? Spain? Would you be confident in saying: "Englishmen look just like Spaniards?" Or if there's a difference... what's the cause? The weather, perhaps? Personally - call me crazy, I know - I feel I can tell an Englishman from a German with much better than random accuracy. If I note that English weather is pretty similar to German weather, does that make me... oh, noes... a racist?

hristov 15y ago
Thank you for the Google link. There I learned that Lewontin's fallacy is a fallacy because "Richard Lewontin is a Marxist Jew who has dedicated his career to attacking genetics as an explanation for human variation." That explains so much. It is really cute how you think you can tell an Englishman from a German. Do you know, by the way, the genetic make up of the Englishman? Do you know where the word "England" came from? Here is a clue -- it came from the Anglo-Saxons a group of GERMAN tribes that conquered England after the Romans left and later became the people you now call English. So your ability to tell apart the English and Germans based on their look is most likely a figment of your imagination. Anyways lets not get carried away and stick to the topic at hand. Here is another example from the article -- the economic difference between the southern US and the rest of the US. Could you explain that one. Please tell me how the southerners developed a statistically different genetic make up than northerners in the 400 year period since colonization. I would love to hear about the split between the grits and pizza genes.
- moldbug 15y ago
  Thank you for the Google link. There I learned that Lewontin's fallacy is a fallacy because "Richard Lewontin is a Marxist Jew who has dedicated his career to attacking genetics as an explanation for human variation." That explains so much. You're really good with teh googles! I guess you read the A.W.F. Edwards paper too: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bies.10315/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bies.10315/abstra... You also seem interested in European population substructure: http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.0020143 http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal...
  - hazov 15y ago
    What's your problem? Apparently from all your submissions and comments you are really fascinated by IQ and Race stuff, besides politics, and you just bring the topic each time you can. You always create flamewars with people that disagrees with you, this is not Digg if you're old enough to know what this mean. I also have my motives to believe that you're not a psychometrist, population geneticist or whatever could and that you're probably someone sitting your ass in class each day at Uni. I am jewish and it always sad to see people acting this way, like you, saying they are jewish. You probably never read the Shas, as the majority of American jews are not brought up in a religious environment, but Rabbi Shimom ben Gamaliel used to say that the best thing for a man is silence. You can learn a couple of things with the Bavli, what about giving it a try?
    - moldbug 15y ago
      You seem interested in reading my comments. You'll read quite a few before you see me flame someone who hasn't already flamed me - usually twice. It's everyone else who's obsessed with "IQ and Race stuff." They're just obsessed in the other direction. Worse still, they don't know it - because everyone they know has the same obsession. Fear is a kind of obsession, too. Don't we think of the Victorians as obsessed with sex? And I'm not Jewish, just partly of Jewish descent. I know what "mitzvah" means, however. I'm willing to be downvoted a little because I hate to see smart, thoughtful people stumbling around in the darkness, when they could just turn on the light. At least, from my perspective. I know I spent quite some time stumbling in the darkness - don't you think I used to believe what everyone here believes? I am not a psychometrist or a population geneticist, but I know some. Also, while not Israeli or even (properly) Jewish, I'm a big fan of Moshe Feiglin: http://jewishisrael.org/ http://jewishisrael.org/ Perhaps you'll change your mind and I'll change my religion, and we'll see each other at a Korban Pesach on the Temple Mount. Shalom!

by moldbug 15y ago

hristov 15y ago

Thank you for the Google link. There I learned that Lewontin's fallacy is a fallacy because "Richard Lewontin is a Marxist Jew who has dedicated his career to attacking genetics as an explanation for human variation." That explains so much. It is really cute how you think you can tell an Englishman from a German. Do you know, by the way, the genetic make up of the Englishman? Do you know where the word "England" came from? Here is a clue -- it came from the Anglo-Saxons a group of GERMAN tribes that conquered England after the Romans left and later became the people you now call English. So your ability to tell apart the English and Germans based on their look is most likely a figment of your imagination. Anyways lets not get carried away and stick to the topic at hand. Here is another example from the article -- the economic difference between the southern US and the rest of the US. Could you explain that one. Please tell me how the southerners developed a statistically different genetic make up than northerners in the 400 year period since colonization. I would love to hear about the split between the grits and pizza genes.

moldbug 15y ago
Thank you for the Google link. There I learned that Lewontin's fallacy is a fallacy because "Richard Lewontin is a Marxist Jew who has dedicated his career to attacking genetics as an explanation for human variation." That explains so much. You're really good with teh googles! I guess you read the A.W.F. Edwards paper too: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bies.10315/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bies.10315/abstra... You also seem interested in European population substructure: http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.0020143 http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal...
- hazov 15y ago
  What's your problem? Apparently from all your submissions and comments you are really fascinated by IQ and Race stuff, besides politics, and you just bring the topic each time you can. You always create flamewars with people that disagrees with you, this is not Digg if you're old enough to know what this mean. I also have my motives to believe that you're not a psychometrist, population geneticist or whatever could and that you're probably someone sitting your ass in class each day at Uni. I am jewish and it always sad to see people acting this way, like you, saying they are jewish. You probably never read the Shas, as the majority of American jews are not brought up in a religious environment, but Rabbi Shimom ben Gamaliel used to say that the best thing for a man is silence. You can learn a couple of things with the Bavli, what about giving it a try?
  - moldbug 15y ago
    You seem interested in reading my comments. You'll read quite a few before you see me flame someone who hasn't already flamed me - usually twice. It's everyone else who's obsessed with "IQ and Race stuff." They're just obsessed in the other direction. Worse still, they don't know it - because everyone they know has the same obsession. Fear is a kind of obsession, too. Don't we think of the Victorians as obsessed with sex? And I'm not Jewish, just partly of Jewish descent. I know what "mitzvah" means, however. I'm willing to be downvoted a little because I hate to see smart, thoughtful people stumbling around in the darkness, when they could just turn on the light. At least, from my perspective. I know I spent quite some time stumbling in the darkness - don't you think I used to believe what everyone here believes? I am not a psychometrist or a population geneticist, but I know some. Also, while not Israeli or even (properly) Jewish, I'm a big fan of Moshe Feiglin: http://jewishisrael.org/ http://jewishisrael.org/ Perhaps you'll change your mind and I'll change my religion, and we'll see each other at a Korban Pesach on the Temple Mount. Shalom!