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Looks absolutely amazing considering Amiga 500 limitations. Same renderer as in Dread, a newish Amiga game.

by vardump 3y ago

ekianjo 3y ago
The video is on a A1200
- actionfromafar 3y ago
  Still amazing compared to what was out in say, 1992 on the Amiga. (3D games wise.)
  - ekianjo 3y ago
    Yes still very impressive
- rasz 3y ago
  with fast ram. That pretty much means additional accelerator card because Commodore didnt bother to build fast ram memory controller into the thing. You couldnt just slap some simms or ram chips on a card, you needed additional logic. Cheapest contemporary Fast Ram cards were ~100 pounds + ~30 pounds a meg, half the cost of 270 pound Amiga A1200 in 1994. You could argue it still cheaper than PC, lets count. A1200 bare system £276 https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n28/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n28/mo... 4-8MB fast ram £200-400 https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n49/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n49/mo... 340MB £380 pounds https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n28/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n28/mo... 14 multisync monitor ~£320 https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n52/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n52/mo... ~£1200-1400. 1994 £/$ exchange rate 1.55 = $1860-2170. To quote a classic I feel like Im taking crazy pills. https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/7235w0/the_specs_of_my_1800_dollar_pc_in_1994_amazing/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/7235w0/the_sp... 486dx2-66mhz, 256KB cache, 8MB, 1.44MB fdd, 350MB HDD, SVGA monitor/card, keyboard/mouse. $1840
  - tuukkah 3y ago
    Fast RAM is not in the minimum requirements, but I don't remember how 10 FPS compares to Doom.
    - vardump 3y ago
      ~8-10 fps is about what this game gets on an Amiga 500 without true Fast RAM. Early 1990s me would have been more than happy with that.
      - ChrisClark 3y ago
        > Early 1990s me would have been more than happy with that. I was happy with 5 fps or less on the gameboy with Faceball 2000.
    - Zardoz84 3y ago
      Back in the day, I was playing DooM 2 on a 386DX 40MHz and was very fine. And Rebel Assault on 14fps. Also, I managed to play DooM 3 on a GeForce 2 MX DDR (using the patch sets to allow it to run on Voodo cards).
  - ekianjo 3y ago
    512k Fast RAM Extension on the Amiga 500 was VERY common back in the days, as many games benefited from it.
    - snvzz 3y ago
      >512k Fast RAM Extension Has never been common on Amiga 500. Perhaps you mean 512k SLOW RAM Extension. Or CHIP RAM (after a motherboard solder-jumper adjustment) with the ECS Agnus common in late A500 models.
  - einr 3y ago
    And after all that, you'd still have a 68020 under the hood. You could, of course, spend an eye-watering amount of money on a 68040 accelerator... and then... you're still not going to beat the DX2/66. (Let's not even talk about the performance of AGA versus a local bus SVGA card) It feels like I've heard so many Amiga users say that they finally broke down and jumped ship when Doom and the DX2/66 dropped. It really was a gamechanger. Before then it was possible to argue that a '040 Amiga 4000 still held its own against a DX/33 or maybe even a DX/50, but not this. There were a lot of things that came together to kill the Amiga, mostly Commodore's mismanagement, mismarketing and complacency, but as the final blow to it being a viable computer with a future in the eyes of consumers, I feel like the DX2/66 was it. It would have killed the Mac too if Apple hadn't woken up to smell the coffee a few years prior and had Power Macs ready to go.

Looks absolutely amazing considering Amiga 500 limitations. Same renderer as in Dread, a newish Amiga game.

ekianjo 3y ago

The video is on a A1200

actionfromafar 3y ago
Still amazing compared to what was out in say, 1992 on the Amiga. (3D games wise.)
- ekianjo 3y ago
  Yes still very impressive
rasz 3y ago
with fast ram. That pretty much means additional accelerator card because Commodore didnt bother to build fast ram memory controller into the thing. You couldnt just slap some simms or ram chips on a card, you needed additional logic. Cheapest contemporary Fast Ram cards were ~100 pounds + ~30 pounds a meg, half the cost of 270 pound Amiga A1200 in 1994. You could argue it still cheaper than PC, lets count. A1200 bare system £276 https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n28/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n28/mo... 4-8MB fast ram £200-400 https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n49/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n49/mo... 340MB £380 pounds https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n28/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n28/mo... 14 multisync monitor ~£320 https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n52/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/cuamiga-magazine-050/page/n52/mo... ~£1200-1400. 1994 £/$ exchange rate 1.55 = $1860-2170. To quote a classic I feel like Im taking crazy pills. https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/7235w0/the_specs_of_my_1800_dollar_pc_in_1994_amazing/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/7235w0/the_sp... 486dx2-66mhz, 256KB cache, 8MB, 1.44MB fdd, 350MB HDD, SVGA monitor/card, keyboard/mouse. $1840
- tuukkah 3y ago
  Fast RAM is not in the minimum requirements, but I don't remember how 10 FPS compares to Doom.
  - vardump 3y ago
    ~8-10 fps is about what this game gets on an Amiga 500 without true Fast RAM. Early 1990s me would have been more than happy with that.
    - ChrisClark 3y ago
      > Early 1990s me would have been more than happy with that. I was happy with 5 fps or less on the gameboy with Faceball 2000.
  - Zardoz84 3y ago
    Back in the day, I was playing DooM 2 on a 386DX 40MHz and was very fine. And Rebel Assault on 14fps. Also, I managed to play DooM 3 on a GeForce 2 MX DDR (using the patch sets to allow it to run on Voodo cards).
- ekianjo 3y ago
  512k Fast RAM Extension on the Amiga 500 was VERY common back in the days, as many games benefited from it.
  - snvzz 3y ago
    >512k Fast RAM Extension Has never been common on Amiga 500. Perhaps you mean 512k SLOW RAM Extension. Or CHIP RAM (after a motherboard solder-jumper adjustment) with the ECS Agnus common in late A500 models.
- einr 3y ago
  And after all that, you'd still have a 68020 under the hood. You could, of course, spend an eye-watering amount of money on a 68040 accelerator... and then... you're still not going to beat the DX2/66. (Let's not even talk about the performance of AGA versus a local bus SVGA card) It feels like I've heard so many Amiga users say that they finally broke down and jumped ship when Doom and the DX2/66 dropped. It really was a gamechanger. Before then it was possible to argue that a '040 Amiga 4000 still held its own against a DX/33 or maybe even a DX/50, but not this. There were a lot of things that came together to kill the Amiga, mostly Commodore's mismanagement, mismarketing and complacency, but as the final blow to it being a viable computer with a future in the eyes of consumers, I feel like the DX2/66 was it. It would have killed the Mac too if Apple hadn't woken up to smell the coffee a few years prior and had Power Macs ready to go.