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The question should be, why did they split Palestine and create a new state for people coming from all over the world?

yakubin 3y ago
"They" didn't. The ones coming from all over the world legally bought the land from previous owners, both British and Arab. Prior to that there was no such thing as a state of Palestine[1] there. It was much later that UN decided to invent this entity. [1]: A different thing from the region called Palestine, mind you.
- elashri 3y ago
  > legally bought https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration Then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine I'm pretty sure that Crimean lands were that "legally bought" by Russians after 2014.
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  - yakubin 3y ago
    All I find in those links is that the Arabs may have complaints about the conduct of the British, since it's the British that didn't keep their promises. However, those promises weren't made by the Jews who bought the land (and Arabs were among the people who sold it to them...). Also, this doesn't contradict anything I said. There is a difference between not keeping a promise to create a country, and splitting a pre-existing country. > I'm pretty sure that Crimean lands were that "legally bought" by Russians after 2014. Please stay cool and on-topic.
    - elashri 3y ago
      > Please stay cool and on-topic. The use of analogy/contrast here is a valid usage of language. People here always use analogies and do comparisons. I understand that this is sensitive as these comparisons sometimes gives people impression that they are being sometimes hypocrites. But anyway I will not participate in a discussion like this because it is not useful and some feel the need to dictate what could and couldn't be said.
      - yakubin 3y ago
        Comparing a major world power taking more land for itself by force and a bunch of refugees creating a new little country for themselves by buying the land is dishonest. Further suggesting that someone seeing something wrong with this comparison is a hypocrite is just further digging the hole. Good day.
        elashri 3y ago
        > Comparing a major world power taking more land for itself by force No, I was Comparing a Major world power (British Empire) taking more land for "other people from all over the world" Good day for you too.
        yakubin 3y ago
        They weren’t taking it with the intention of creating Israel. They had more selfish reasons. It’s just that after WWI the British Empire was disintegrating, its resources were spread thin, and they had no interest in keeping the mandate, but at the same time didn’t want to allow Russia to extend its sphere of influence (which would happen if they had handed it to Arab states), so they handed it to future Israel. Just realpolitik. But I have no intention of defending the British Empire. If that’s what you meant, then fair enough. Valid comparison.
      - raxxorraxor 3y ago
        I don't have the impression that I am a hypocrite. I have the impression that you decided that some people don't belong in the area. Your reasoning is that some immigrated that never were home in that area, but I am not convinced by that. I also have more impressions, but no evidence for them, so I hold them back.
- lr0 3y ago
  >Prior to that there was no such thing as a state of Palestine This is like saying there was no Algeria or UAE because those those have not been formed as sovereign states. There was a 'state'. It just was not membe/observer in the UN.
  - yakubin 3y ago
    There wasn’t. Previously there was the British mandate. Prior to that there was the Ottoman Empire. That’s centuries before the UN even existed. You might as well be talking about a state of Apaches at this point. Or better you might just look at what was the state of the world when Israel was created. Commenter upthread is clearly displeased with its existence and claims that it was created through splitting something else. I’m pointing out that it wasn’t. That’s all.
pauldenton 3y ago
Israel could have chosen a less conflict ridden destination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast A Jewish state has/had multiple viable locations
- Ekaros 3y ago
  Or just given some of their own land. Like in UK for example...

"They" didn't. The ones coming from all over the world legally bought the land from previous owners, both British and Arab. Prior to that there was no such thing as a state of Palestine[1] there. It was much later that UN decided to invent this entity. [1]: A different thing from the region called Palestine, mind you.

elashri 3y ago
> legally bought https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration Then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine I'm pretty sure that Crimean lands were that "legally bought" by Russians after 2014.
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- yakubin 3y ago
  All I find in those links is that the Arabs may have complaints about the conduct of the British, since it's the British that didn't keep their promises. However, those promises weren't made by the Jews who bought the land (and Arabs were among the people who sold it to them...). Also, this doesn't contradict anything I said. There is a difference between not keeping a promise to create a country, and splitting a pre-existing country. > I'm pretty sure that Crimean lands were that "legally bought" by Russians after 2014. Please stay cool and on-topic.
  - elashri 3y ago
    > Please stay cool and on-topic. The use of analogy/contrast here is a valid usage of language. People here always use analogies and do comparisons. I understand that this is sensitive as these comparisons sometimes gives people impression that they are being sometimes hypocrites. But anyway I will not participate in a discussion like this because it is not useful and some feel the need to dictate what could and couldn't be said.
    - yakubin 3y ago
      Comparing a major world power taking more land for itself by force and a bunch of refugees creating a new little country for themselves by buying the land is dishonest. Further suggesting that someone seeing something wrong with this comparison is a hypocrite is just further digging the hole. Good day.
      - elashri 3y ago
        > Comparing a major world power taking more land for itself by force No, I was Comparing a Major world power (British Empire) taking more land for "other people from all over the world" Good day for you too.
        yakubin 3y ago
        They weren’t taking it with the intention of creating Israel. They had more selfish reasons. It’s just that after WWI the British Empire was disintegrating, its resources were spread thin, and they had no interest in keeping the mandate, but at the same time didn’t want to allow Russia to extend its sphere of influence (which would happen if they had handed it to Arab states), so they handed it to future Israel. Just realpolitik. But I have no intention of defending the British Empire. If that’s what you meant, then fair enough. Valid comparison.
    - raxxorraxor 3y ago
      I don't have the impression that I am a hypocrite. I have the impression that you decided that some people don't belong in the area. Your reasoning is that some immigrated that never were home in that area, but I am not convinced by that. I also have more impressions, but no evidence for them, so I hold them back.
lr0 3y ago
>Prior to that there was no such thing as a state of Palestine This is like saying there was no Algeria or UAE because those those have not been formed as sovereign states. There was a 'state'. It just was not membe/observer in the UN.
- yakubin 3y ago
  There wasn’t. Previously there was the British mandate. Prior to that there was the Ottoman Empire. That’s centuries before the UN even existed. You might as well be talking about a state of Apaches at this point. Or better you might just look at what was the state of the world when Israel was created. Commenter upthread is clearly displeased with its existence and claims that it was created through splitting something else. I’m pointing out that it wasn’t. That’s all.

pauldenton 3y ago

Israel could have chosen a less conflict ridden destination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast A Jewish state has/had multiple viable locations

Ekaros 3y ago
Or just given some of their own land. Like in UK for example...