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I, for one, don’t want to see/read holocaust deniers, aggressive hate speech, or fascist propaganda. This stuff is not okay in any way. People being allowed to

I, for one, don’t want to see/read holocaust deniers, aggressive hate speech, or fascist propaganda. This stuff is not okay in any way. People being allowed to megaphone this FUD for cheap attention/clicks/manipulation always find idiots who actually believe this shit, and move the Overton window towards even more destructive speech being tolerated. While I do value free speech in general, there is a red line. Like, I can tolerate a lot of weird people talking nonsense, but when you spread hate I‘d confront you right on the street in reallife. „But it’s my opinion“ is NO excuse for being an asshole.

r00fus 3y ago
My concern is that any pro-Palestinian content gets axed (US/EU are very pro-Israel) Like the story about the HAMAS rapes/baby beheadings were completely uncorroborated - will any questioning of that be censored?
- anonyfox 3y ago
  Right now in Germany we have real problems with the large amount of Muslims entering the country, the single reason why rightwing parties are coming to power. It’s a very delicate topic and polarized. Now people spread propaganda garbage that _looks_ credible but is actually fake or several years old. This is adding kerosene into the fire and might ultimately lead to additional problems _ontop of_ the current suffering in the Middle East. I‘d prefer to not pile up additional issues instead of worrying about media underrepresentation of a side.
  - concordDance 3y ago
    And what kind of rule do you imagine you could put in place that wouldn't also do things like van discussion of murder rate statistics?
jl6 3y ago
> fascist propaganda Huge opportunity here to censor your disfavored groups by calling them fascist, which has, in recent times, evolved from being a political science term, to being a very broad type of insult/accusation usable against almost anyone you don’t like.
- anonyfox 3y ago
  As a German, I have a really good idea what actual fascism looks like, thank you. We have also laws that specify what types of content are illegal, and for very good (historical) reasons.
  - concordDance 3y ago
    Define "fascist propaganda" without using the words "fascist" or "propaganda". Then consider whether your new spoken definition actually matches the set of things you want restricted. I'm very confident it will not.
  - avgcorrection 3y ago
    How old are you? Are you talking about Neo-Nazis?
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    You also have a good idea of how you should go about censoring people and eliminating dissent l guess, if you want to use the "we were nazis" argument lol.
concordDance 3y ago
> I, for one, don’t want to see/read holocaust deniers, aggressive hate speech, or fascist propaganda. The solution to this is to let people use filters. Trying to have something like this as a rule ends up with existential conflict[1] over what the definitions and set of things allowed should be. [1] For instance, my personal red line is about people being allowed to express their political views and I will happily physically fight you over this.
- anonyfox 3y ago
  It’s not my personal feelings, we have actual laws over here for this. Some things like that have serious consequences. Why should we allow this hate on the internet suddenly?

r00fus 3y ago

My concern is that any pro-Palestinian content gets axed (US/EU are very pro-Israel) Like the story about the HAMAS rapes/baby beheadings were completely uncorroborated - will any questioning of that be censored?

anonyfox 3y ago
Right now in Germany we have real problems with the large amount of Muslims entering the country, the single reason why rightwing parties are coming to power. It’s a very delicate topic and polarized. Now people spread propaganda garbage that _looks_ credible but is actually fake or several years old. This is adding kerosene into the fire and might ultimately lead to additional problems _ontop of_ the current suffering in the Middle East. I‘d prefer to not pile up additional issues instead of worrying about media underrepresentation of a side.
- concordDance 3y ago
  And what kind of rule do you imagine you could put in place that wouldn't also do things like van discussion of murder rate statistics?

jl6 3y ago

> fascist propaganda Huge opportunity here to censor your disfavored groups by calling them fascist, which has, in recent times, evolved from being a political science term, to being a very broad type of insult/accusation usable against almost anyone you don’t like.

anonyfox 3y ago
As a German, I have a really good idea what actual fascism looks like, thank you. We have also laws that specify what types of content are illegal, and for very good (historical) reasons.
- concordDance 3y ago
  Define "fascist propaganda" without using the words "fascist" or "propaganda". Then consider whether your new spoken definition actually matches the set of things you want restricted. I'm very confident it will not.
- avgcorrection 3y ago
  How old are you? Are you talking about Neo-Nazis?
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  You also have a good idea of how you should go about censoring people and eliminating dissent l guess, if you want to use the "we were nazis" argument lol.

concordDance 3y ago

> I, for one, don’t want to see/read holocaust deniers, aggressive hate speech, or fascist propaganda. The solution to this is to let people use filters. Trying to have something like this as a rule ends up with existential conflict[1] over what the definitions and set of things allowed should be. [1] For instance, my personal red line is about people being allowed to express their political views and I will happily physically fight you over this.

anonyfox 3y ago
It’s not my personal feelings, we have actual laws over here for this. Some things like that have serious consequences. Why should we allow this hate on the internet suddenly?