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The thing that _really_ irritates me about debian (almost the only thing, actually) is how flipping hard it is to use it as a development environment/system. I

The thing that _really_ irritates me about debian (almost the only thing, actually) is how flipping hard it is to use it as a development environment/system. It's _great_ as a system, but for the love of $DIETY, why isn't there some sort of way to say: `sudo apt install $ALL_THE_COMPILERS@[latest||version]` ...semi-similarly to the "exceptions" made for frequently updated packages like `firefox`, `chromium`, etc... I know of `asdf`, but it seems like a big miss that it's sometimes so hard to use debian "properly" (ie: via `apt ...`) to actually develop. Or similarly, wouldn't it be great if similar to `LSP-language-server-protocol`, there was something like `PSP-package-server-protocol` where `npm`, `go.mod`, `pip`, etc... were all like: "yeah, the debian system packages for python, perl, etc. are great for debian-on-debian", but we should also support pulling an arbitrary project at an arbitrary version and make a best-effort attempt at being able to isolate, share, manage, upgrade packages between them.

imp0cat 3y ago
You're right, it requires a lot of research and reading to it the "right" way. Also, there are multiple correct option, ie. you mention `asdf`, however I'd recommend `volta.sh` instead. From my experience, I'd recommend sticking with debian packages for everything if possible (they may be outdated, but might still work). Altenatively, you can also cheat a bit, use docker to separate your dev environment from your system.
- bin_bash 3y ago
  Isn’t Volta only for JS? I always recommend rtx.
  - ramses0 3y ago
    (belated), but thanks for the `rtx` recommendation, I checked it out and it seems like "the right thing". Also keep an eye on the `pixi` tool which got some visibility here recently: https://github.com/prefix-dev/pixi https://github.com/prefix-dev/pixi
duped 3y ago
> Or similarly, wouldn't it be great if similar to `LSP-language-server-protocol`, there was something like `PSP-package-server-protocol If system package managers could support the same use cases as packages managers for your favorite languages then the latter wouldn't need to exist. Distribution maintainers have a very different idea of how dependencies should be managed than most developers using those package managers do.

imp0cat 3y ago

You're right, it requires a lot of research and reading to it the "right" way. Also, there are multiple correct option, ie. you mention `asdf`, however I'd recommend `volta.sh` instead. From my experience, I'd recommend sticking with debian packages for everything if possible (they may be outdated, but might still work). Altenatively, you can also cheat a bit, use docker to separate your dev environment from your system.

bin_bash 3y ago
Isn’t Volta only for JS? I always recommend rtx.
- ramses0 3y ago
  (belated), but thanks for the `rtx` recommendation, I checked it out and it seems like "the right thing". Also keep an eye on the `pixi` tool which got some visibility here recently: https://github.com/prefix-dev/pixi https://github.com/prefix-dev/pixi

duped 3y ago

> Or similarly, wouldn't it be great if similar to `LSP-language-server-protocol`, there was something like `PSP-package-server-protocol If system package managers could support the same use cases as packages managers for your favorite languages then the latter wouldn't need to exist. Distribution maintainers have a very different idea of how dependencies should be managed than most developers using those package managers do.