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With the exemption of alarm systems (why?) what's stopping Apple from classifying their new models as an alarm system? After all, it has crash detection and can

With the exemption of alarm systems (why?) what's stopping Apple from classifying their new models as an alarm system? After all, it has crash detection and can call 911 automatically.

beretguy 3y ago
Or a game console, for that matter…
- WirelessGigabit 3y ago
  Good point. While an iPhone is a phone, the actual calling is probably one of the least used features. So is it a phone with gaming capabilities? Or a gaming console with phone capabilities? Reminds me of the Nokia N-Gage.
baby_souffle 3y ago
> With the exemption of alarm systems (why?) Probably a "security" reason. If $anybody can get access to tools we use at the factory, bad guys can circumvent the alarm. I'd imagine that it's pretty similar for game-consoles: literally _any_ tooling/docs that allow $hackers or $pirates to gain any foothold threatens our business model... I don't think either of those are particularly _good_ arguments, but I'd bet that they're very similar to whatever lobbies were involved in crafting the legislation.
jstarfish 3y ago
> With the exemption of alarm systems (why?) I imagine it has to do with integrity of the system. If people start messing with it and leave some sensors unplugged and there's an incident, the first thing survivors are going to do is sue the manufacturer despite having tampered with it. I'm surprised to see airbags didn't make the list. Some things, amateurs really shouldn't mess with.
- ang_cire 3y ago
  2R2 isn't (only) about amateurs, it's mainly about independent repair experts.
- JTbane 3y ago
  >I'm surprised to see airbags didn't make the list. Some things, amateurs really shouldn't mess with. I don't think auto parts need right to repair, as far as I know companies like Dorman Products are allowed to reverse-engineer pretty much any part of a car, manufacture, market and sell them.
- Tangurena2 3y ago
  When I was younger, I worked at a company that made a burglar alarm (among other things). The UL test for alarm systems which have a fire alarm function was the hardest thing to test. It had to simulate "lighting hits nearby and the fire alarm still has to work" test. The 10KV spike on the power line was setting fire to the alarm units.
fckgw 3y ago
Because it's not? It's not like there's "one weird trick", if Apple did that then a court would say "no you're not" and that's the end of that.

With the exemption of alarm systems (why?) what's stopping Apple from classifying their new models as an alarm system? After all, it has crash detection and can call 911 automatically.

beretguy 3y ago

Or a game console, for that matter…

WirelessGigabit 3y ago
Good point. While an iPhone is a phone, the actual calling is probably one of the least used features. So is it a phone with gaming capabilities? Or a gaming console with phone capabilities? Reminds me of the Nokia N-Gage.

baby_souffle 3y ago

> With the exemption of alarm systems (why?) Probably a "security" reason. If $anybody can get access to tools we use at the factory, bad guys can circumvent the alarm. I'd imagine that it's pretty similar for game-consoles: literally _any_ tooling/docs that allow $hackers or $pirates to gain any foothold threatens our business model... I don't think either of those are particularly _good_ arguments, but I'd bet that they're very similar to whatever lobbies were involved in crafting the legislation.

jstarfish 3y ago

> With the exemption of alarm systems (why?) I imagine it has to do with integrity of the system. If people start messing with it and leave some sensors unplugged and there's an incident, the first thing survivors are going to do is sue the manufacturer despite having tampered with it. I'm surprised to see airbags didn't make the list. Some things, amateurs really shouldn't mess with.

ang_cire 3y ago
2R2 isn't (only) about amateurs, it's mainly about independent repair experts.
JTbane 3y ago
>I'm surprised to see airbags didn't make the list. Some things, amateurs really shouldn't mess with. I don't think auto parts need right to repair, as far as I know companies like Dorman Products are allowed to reverse-engineer pretty much any part of a car, manufacture, market and sell them.
Tangurena2 3y ago
When I was younger, I worked at a company that made a burglar alarm (among other things). The UL test for alarm systems which have a fire alarm function was the hardest thing to test. It had to simulate "lighting hits nearby and the fire alarm still has to work" test. The 10KV spike on the power line was setting fire to the alarm units.

fckgw 3y ago

Because it's not? It's not like there's "one weird trick", if Apple did that then a court would say "no you're not" and that's the end of that.