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Frankly, if a vet can, as a matter of practice, afford to do procedures probono but only if the owner surrenders their pet, it means they are making an absolute

Frankly, if a vet can, as a matter of practice, afford to do procedures probono but only if the owner surrenders their pet, it means they are making an absolutely staggering profit from those who are emotionally extorted to pay. That is predatory. I miss the days when vets got into the business to run small practices for a reasonable profit and middle class lifestyle. Few of them wanted mercedes money . It's kind of gross to think modern vet medicine is making vast sums off of pet owner's worst days.

jncfhnb 3y ago
Surrenders their pet to someone who can pay
throwaway5752 3y ago
You sound like you don't personally know many vets, you don't know what it was like to operate a vet practice back in the day, and you don't know what they drive. I do, and going on about this (incorrectly) on an article about a veterinarian suicide crisis is unseemly. This isn't about you. If vets are so greedy and amoral, why are they committing suicide, for all the reasons listed in the article, at 4-8 times the rate of the general population? You might find it interesting and beneficial to learn more about this topic firsthand. Vet practices, shelters, and vet schools often operate in coordination and are always looking for volunteers and donations. You may find more understanding and empathy with more exposure to the people this area.
lotsofpulp 3y ago
You think you should dictate the price of someone else’s labor, and that is less predatory or somehow better than someone being able to price their own labor?
- wing-_-nuts 3y ago
  I can't 'dictate' anything. I just think that healthcare, for both humans and animals isn't the place for a 'the price is whatever the market will bear' mentality. That mentality assumes the participation of cool, rational actors. People making healthcare decisions for their family or pets do not fit that criteria. I feel it's immoral to use the love one feels for their pets to extract as much as possible from the owner. I understand you probably feel differently. Frankly you and I will probably not ever agree on this topic as we have different world views.
- ang_cire 3y ago
  Me myself? Absolutely not. But yes, labor should have some means to be controlled for price, so that people cannot be underpaid or overpaid (as many are).
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    What is the formula for determining underpaid and overpaid?
    - s1artibartfast 3y ago
      The formula is what the master says you get paid.
    - ang_cire 3y ago
      "Tell me how to create a perfect society right now, otherwise you cannot critique this one."
      - lotsofpulp 3y ago
        You proposed implementing price controls to “appropriately” allocate society’s resources. Unless you have specifics, what value does your proposal have? It is trivial to wish for world peace.
        ang_cire 3y ago
        Did I wake up in another world where this is a legislative body? We're all just posting our opinions. Just because you don't like mine doesn't put a higher burden of effort on me to post. I'm sure no amount of specifics would convince you that's a good idea, just as no amount of your specifics would probably convince me otherwise. And that's fine. I am under no obligation to provide you "value" in my posts.
groby_b 3y ago
"Hey, you can't afford to care for your pet. I'm willing to spend several thousand dollars of my own money, but there's likely more care in the future, and I'd like to ensure the animal then lives with somebody who can afford any future care" "You predatory monster!" Do you think even for a moment through what you're saying, or is this just reflexive on your end? Also, in what world is a median annual income of $100k, for a job with expensive and long training, "mercedes money"? If you have actual evidence of most vets making "vast sums", maybe it'd a good time to share that.
anon84873628 3y ago
If you are referring to the story in the article then I believe you misunderstood. The vet didn't perform the procedure pro bono; the owners gave the pet up to someone who was able to pay for the procedure.
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Fomite 3y ago
I don’t know a single vet that drives a Mercedes. I know a lot who drove beat up trucks and have a mountain of debt.

jncfhnb 3y ago

Surrenders their pet to someone who can pay

throwaway5752 3y ago

You sound like you don't personally know many vets, you don't know what it was like to operate a vet practice back in the day, and you don't know what they drive. I do, and going on about this (incorrectly) on an article about a veterinarian suicide crisis is unseemly. This isn't about you. If vets are so greedy and amoral, why are they committing suicide, for all the reasons listed in the article, at 4-8 times the rate of the general population? You might find it interesting and beneficial to learn more about this topic firsthand. Vet practices, shelters, and vet schools often operate in coordination and are always looking for volunteers and donations. You may find more understanding and empathy with more exposure to the people this area.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

You think you should dictate the price of someone else’s labor, and that is less predatory or somehow better than someone being able to price their own labor?

wing-_-nuts 3y ago
I can't 'dictate' anything. I just think that healthcare, for both humans and animals isn't the place for a 'the price is whatever the market will bear' mentality. That mentality assumes the participation of cool, rational actors. People making healthcare decisions for their family or pets do not fit that criteria. I feel it's immoral to use the love one feels for their pets to extract as much as possible from the owner. I understand you probably feel differently. Frankly you and I will probably not ever agree on this topic as we have different world views.
ang_cire 3y ago
Me myself? Absolutely not. But yes, labor should have some means to be controlled for price, so that people cannot be underpaid or overpaid (as many are).
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  What is the formula for determining underpaid and overpaid?
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    The formula is what the master says you get paid.
  - ang_cire 3y ago
    "Tell me how to create a perfect society right now, otherwise you cannot critique this one."
    - lotsofpulp 3y ago
      You proposed implementing price controls to “appropriately” allocate society’s resources. Unless you have specifics, what value does your proposal have? It is trivial to wish for world peace.
      - ang_cire 3y ago
        Did I wake up in another world where this is a legislative body? We're all just posting our opinions. Just because you don't like mine doesn't put a higher burden of effort on me to post. I'm sure no amount of specifics would convince you that's a good idea, just as no amount of your specifics would probably convince me otherwise. And that's fine. I am under no obligation to provide you "value" in my posts.

groby_b 3y ago

"Hey, you can't afford to care for your pet. I'm willing to spend several thousand dollars of my own money, but there's likely more care in the future, and I'd like to ensure the animal then lives with somebody who can afford any future care" "You predatory monster!" Do you think even for a moment through what you're saying, or is this just reflexive on your end? Also, in what world is a median annual income of $100k, for a job with expensive and long training, "mercedes money"? If you have actual evidence of most vets making "vast sums", maybe it'd a good time to share that.

anon84873628 3y ago

If you are referring to the story in the article then I believe you misunderstood. The vet didn't perform the procedure pro bono; the owners gave the pet up to someone who was able to pay for the procedure.

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Fomite 3y ago

I don’t know a single vet that drives a Mercedes. I know a lot who drove beat up trucks and have a mountain of debt.