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You admit not having experience with a certain field and then laugh at the terminology they commonly use? Your comment is unhelpful and barely related to the a

You admit not having experience with a certain field and then laugh at the terminology they commonly use? Your comment is unhelpful and barely related to the article. Then you get mad at a group for presumably downvoting your irrelevant comment? Also, I don't feel like "empathizing with animals" is a huge insight that you've cracked. Most people do it.

rcarr 3y ago
Yes, genuine people who aren't playing social games laugh spontaneously, they don't contact the moral police to determine whether they can laugh or not. Other people who are more prone to going with the herd will wait to see what other people are doing and then determine whether they should laugh or not. You actually can see this in real time watching stand up comedians - for certain jokes the majority of the crowd will laugh in a different manner to normal to feedback to the comedian that the joke is funny but dancing on the line of acceptability. A good comedian uses that information and either addresses it immediately or changes their set accordingly. So yes, I found the use of the word "patient" funny because the context shift is funny to me. Like seriously what is your attitude to life, that you're only allowed to laugh about things specific to your own profession? That at all other times you must be deferential with head bowed and no sense of humour? The whole point of comedy is the coming together of unexpected and differing viewpoints on topics, which is an inevitable part of being human, because we all have own own unique backstories which have gone on to shape our views of the world. > Your comment is unhelpful and barely related to the article. I would love to know what you deem qualifies you to be the arbitrer of what is and isn't helpful. My comment may be unhelpful to you but your experience is not everyone's experience, I would wager that for anyone not familiar with this terminology or what vet's face on a day to day basis, then it is likely helpful and relevant. > Also, I don't feel like "empathizing with animals" is a huge insight that you've cracked. Most people do it. I am no longer, but I spent a year as vegan, primarily for reasons of animal empathy, years prior to finding out about this patient terminology. And it still altered my perception. There is more than one way to gain insight and there are different levels of insight. Things look different from different angles. This was a new angle for me. > Then you get mad at a group for presumably downvoting your irrelevant comment? You're downvoting someone for sharing their personal growth experience. After a certain amount of downvotes a post gets flagged and can no longer be seen. So you're essentially trying to silence me, not because I've said anything hateful, but purely because what I've said doesn't align with your own views. And I consider that to be pretty fascist behaviour and I will call it out when I see it because it doesn't lead to good outcomes.
- fishyjoe 3y ago
  I did not downvote you. It's barely related to the article because it is about suicide and you come in to tell an anecdote about how funny you find it that they use a certain word. Just completely tone-deaf. It's the word they use, nothing funny about it, and an article about suicide among vets is not the place for it. People having different viewpoints does not make you immune to criticism. You could just not talk, you're not the center of the universe.
  - rcarr 3y ago
    Complete horseshit. This isn't someone's funeral - it's a discussion forum. And even if it was a funeral, some people will crack jokes at them because that's how they cope. Do you think no-one told a joke at George Carlin's funeral? Do you think that soldiers don't crack jokes in the trenches because "it's not the appropriate place"? I'm absolutely fine with having my viewpoints criticised, what I'm not fine with is being flagged and silenced simply for having a viewpoint that isn't hate speech. I consider the comment that did eventually get flagged as being justified because I got angry and frustrated in the moment at receiving five down votes in the space of a minute and let it get the better of me by calling animal lovers fucking militants, but if that line was removed and the comment was still flagged then I wouldn't consider it justified. > You could just not talk, you're not the center of the universe. Again, I don't know how you can type with a straight face and accuse me of being a narcisst when you are literally acting like you are humanity's judge, jury and executioner of what is and isn't relevant, what is and isn't funny, what is and isn't appropriate and who should and shouldn't speak. If you don't personally find it useful or funny fine, but don't act like you're speaking on behalf of all humanity, it's completely sanctimonious.
    - quickthrowman 3y ago
      I suggest you take a break from HN for the rest of the day my friend, it’s not worth getting this upset over an internet discussion.
    - fishyjoe 3y ago
      > five down votes in the space of a minute How did you even notice this? Get off the computer, it's clearly not doing your mental health any favors. You seem very unhinged. Ranting at groups due to perceived persecution and calling them "fucking militant" is not decent behavior. > Do you think no-one told a joke at George Carlin's funeral? The comedian? Yeah he's a comedian, I would expect jokes to be told at his funeral.

rcarr 3y ago

Yes, genuine people who aren't playing social games laugh spontaneously, they don't contact the moral police to determine whether they can laugh or not. Other people who are more prone to going with the herd will wait to see what other people are doing and then determine whether they should laugh or not. You actually can see this in real time watching stand up comedians - for certain jokes the majority of the crowd will laugh in a different manner to normal to feedback to the comedian that the joke is funny but dancing on the line of acceptability. A good comedian uses that information and either addresses it immediately or changes their set accordingly. So yes, I found the use of the word "patient" funny because the context shift is funny to me. Like seriously what is your attitude to life, that you're only allowed to laugh about things specific to your own profession? That at all other times you must be deferential with head bowed and no sense of humour? The whole point of comedy is the coming together of unexpected and differing viewpoints on topics, which is an inevitable part of being human, because we all have own own unique backstories which have gone on to shape our views of the world. > Your comment is unhelpful and barely related to the article. I would love to know what you deem qualifies you to be the arbitrer of what is and isn't helpful. My comment may be unhelpful to you but your experience is not everyone's experience, I would wager that for anyone not familiar with this terminology or what vet's face on a day to day basis, then it is likely helpful and relevant. > Also, I don't feel like "empathizing with animals" is a huge insight that you've cracked. Most people do it. I am no longer, but I spent a year as vegan, primarily for reasons of animal empathy, years prior to finding out about this patient terminology. And it still altered my perception. There is more than one way to gain insight and there are different levels of insight. Things look different from different angles. This was a new angle for me. > Then you get mad at a group for presumably downvoting your irrelevant comment? You're downvoting someone for sharing their personal growth experience. After a certain amount of downvotes a post gets flagged and can no longer be seen. So you're essentially trying to silence me, not because I've said anything hateful, but purely because what I've said doesn't align with your own views. And I consider that to be pretty fascist behaviour and I will call it out when I see it because it doesn't lead to good outcomes.

fishyjoe 3y ago
I did not downvote you. It's barely related to the article because it is about suicide and you come in to tell an anecdote about how funny you find it that they use a certain word. Just completely tone-deaf. It's the word they use, nothing funny about it, and an article about suicide among vets is not the place for it. People having different viewpoints does not make you immune to criticism. You could just not talk, you're not the center of the universe.
- rcarr 3y ago
  Complete horseshit. This isn't someone's funeral - it's a discussion forum. And even if it was a funeral, some people will crack jokes at them because that's how they cope. Do you think no-one told a joke at George Carlin's funeral? Do you think that soldiers don't crack jokes in the trenches because "it's not the appropriate place"? I'm absolutely fine with having my viewpoints criticised, what I'm not fine with is being flagged and silenced simply for having a viewpoint that isn't hate speech. I consider the comment that did eventually get flagged as being justified because I got angry and frustrated in the moment at receiving five down votes in the space of a minute and let it get the better of me by calling animal lovers fucking militants, but if that line was removed and the comment was still flagged then I wouldn't consider it justified. > You could just not talk, you're not the center of the universe. Again, I don't know how you can type with a straight face and accuse me of being a narcisst when you are literally acting like you are humanity's judge, jury and executioner of what is and isn't relevant, what is and isn't funny, what is and isn't appropriate and who should and shouldn't speak. If you don't personally find it useful or funny fine, but don't act like you're speaking on behalf of all humanity, it's completely sanctimonious.
  - quickthrowman 3y ago
    I suggest you take a break from HN for the rest of the day my friend, it’s not worth getting this upset over an internet discussion.
  - fishyjoe 3y ago
    > five down votes in the space of a minute How did you even notice this? Get off the computer, it's clearly not doing your mental health any favors. You seem very unhinged. Ranting at groups due to perceived persecution and calling them "fucking militant" is not decent behavior. > Do you think no-one told a joke at George Carlin's funeral? The comedian? Yeah he's a comedian, I would expect jokes to be told at his funeral.