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The framing of this story is so weird (and I think meant to trigger conspiracy nuts.) The story of culdesac is about parking not about banning mobility! Parki

The framing of this story is so weird (and I think meant to trigger conspiracy nuts.) The story of culdesac is about parking not about banning mobility! Parking is insanely expensive to build. The only way the city would let them not build parking was for residents to agree to not own cars. (I think this is a clear 14th amendment violation but thats just me.) Read Henry Garbar's new book for the full story on parking: https://www.npr.org/2023/05/09/1174962751/paved-paradise-examines-how-parking-has-changed-the-american-landscape https://www.npr.org/2023/05/09/1174962751/paved-paradise-exa...

GenerocUsername 3y ago
Wouldn't this self select people who are willing to ditch vehicles. Shocking that folks selectively willing to live in an area with specific rules are happier living in the area with specific rules they self selected into. I am all for people being allowed to self select into communities that fit their lifestyles.
- ProcNetDev 3y ago
  They ditched personal vehicles. Not owning a car is different than not having mobility. They aren't hermits.
- pjc50 3y ago
  Well, yes. It's a sort of inhabitable theme park. “It’s positively European, somewhere between Mykonos and Ibiza,”, per article - it does indeed look like all those holiday photos of Mykonos or Corfu. To be clear: this is a compliment. I think it's good that people are allowed to have a variety of living environments and try things every now and again.
CogitoCogito 3y ago
> I think this is a clear 14th amendment violation but thats just me. Care to expand a little? What exactly is a clear violation?
- ProcNetDev 3y ago
  Allowing access to city services (street parking) based on land ownership (or lack there of) seems (to me, a software engineer, not a lawyer) like a violation of the equal protection clause. I think the relevant case is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington_County_Board_v._Richards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington_County_Board_v._Rich... Where the SCOTUS said yeah this is bad but it's okay because we want to encourage non-homeowners to take the bus. This was decided before there was lots of clear research on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand Allowing homeowners free and easily accessible on street parking encourages more car ownership.
  - pchristensen 3y ago
    From my understanding, there's nothing saying that Culdesac residents can't park on public street parking, it's just that the development doesn't have any street parking. So that case (which was about restricting access to existing street parking) doesn't seem relevant. Unless you're claiming that the 14th amendment would require the developer to include street parking? But that seems like quite a stretch.
    - ProcNetDev 3y ago
      The residents of culdesac have to sign a lease that states that they are not allowed to park on the streets. This was a condition of the city to allow the zoning variance for culdesac.
gedy 3y ago
Yeah while I applaud new ideas, and them actually designing for the site, this is basically an apartment complex with no parking. It's not a neighborhood, it's in an existing neighborhood. The addition of some commerce is nice, but this is not some self contained destination. Tempe, Arizona is not a practical place I'd want to be without a car, due to the high heat.
- ProcNetDev 3y ago
  Not owning a car is different from never riding in a car. That money not spent on parking every month can buy a lot of ride shares.
  - dingnuts 3y ago
    I can afford about four trips to downtown in an Uber for the annual cost of my car insurance, registration, and parking, but sure
    - alistairSH 3y ago
      You're well below average if that's true. AAA reports the average annual cost to own a car is around $10,000 - that's all inclusive - purchase, financing, insurance, maintenance, parking, etc. In my area, an Uber trip from my house to the grocer, my office, or the local school is $10-$15.

GenerocUsername 3y ago

Wouldn't this self select people who are willing to ditch vehicles. Shocking that folks selectively willing to live in an area with specific rules are happier living in the area with specific rules they self selected into. I am all for people being allowed to self select into communities that fit their lifestyles.

ProcNetDev 3y ago
They ditched personal vehicles. Not owning a car is different than not having mobility. They aren't hermits.
pjc50 3y ago
Well, yes. It's a sort of inhabitable theme park. “It’s positively European, somewhere between Mykonos and Ibiza,”, per article - it does indeed look like all those holiday photos of Mykonos or Corfu. To be clear: this is a compliment. I think it's good that people are allowed to have a variety of living environments and try things every now and again.

CogitoCogito 3y ago

> I think this is a clear 14th amendment violation but thats just me. Care to expand a little? What exactly is a clear violation?

ProcNetDev 3y ago
Allowing access to city services (street parking) based on land ownership (or lack there of) seems (to me, a software engineer, not a lawyer) like a violation of the equal protection clause. I think the relevant case is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington_County_Board_v._Richards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington_County_Board_v._Rich... Where the SCOTUS said yeah this is bad but it's okay because we want to encourage non-homeowners to take the bus. This was decided before there was lots of clear research on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand Allowing homeowners free and easily accessible on street parking encourages more car ownership.
- pchristensen 3y ago
  From my understanding, there's nothing saying that Culdesac residents can't park on public street parking, it's just that the development doesn't have any street parking. So that case (which was about restricting access to existing street parking) doesn't seem relevant. Unless you're claiming that the 14th amendment would require the developer to include street parking? But that seems like quite a stretch.
  - ProcNetDev 3y ago
    The residents of culdesac have to sign a lease that states that they are not allowed to park on the streets. This was a condition of the city to allow the zoning variance for culdesac.

gedy 3y ago

Yeah while I applaud new ideas, and them actually designing for the site, this is basically an apartment complex with no parking. It's not a neighborhood, it's in an existing neighborhood. The addition of some commerce is nice, but this is not some self contained destination. Tempe, Arizona is not a practical place I'd want to be without a car, due to the high heat.

ProcNetDev 3y ago
Not owning a car is different from never riding in a car. That money not spent on parking every month can buy a lot of ride shares.
- dingnuts 3y ago
  I can afford about four trips to downtown in an Uber for the annual cost of my car insurance, registration, and parking, but sure
  - alistairSH 3y ago
    You're well below average if that's true. AAA reports the average annual cost to own a car is around $10,000 - that's all inclusive - purchase, financing, insurance, maintenance, parking, etc. In my area, an Uber trip from my house to the grocer, my office, or the local school is $10-$15.