Ezra Klein spent 80 minutes or so talking to Ghodsee back in June 2023. As I recall, it was a good conversation. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/09/opinion/ezr

Ezra Klein spent 80 minutes or so talking to Ghodsee back in June 2023. As I recall, it was a good conversation. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/09/opinion/ezra-klein-kristen-ghodsee.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/09/opinion/ezra-klein-kriste... There's a transcript there if you prefer to read.